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喝咖啡吗？ - Coffee?
好，谢谢 - Yeah, thank you.
还喜欢这里吧？ How have you liked your stay?
我喜欢眼前的一切 - What I've seen, I've liked. - [ Speaks In Arabic ]
请解释我为何该接受 亲犹太人的美国媒体专访？ Please to explain why I should agree to interview... with pro-Zionist American media?
我认为回教基本主义教派 Because I think Hezbollah...
如今正积极转型为政党 is trying to broaden into a political party right now,
所以会重视美国人的想法 so you care about what you're thought of in America,
况且如今基本教派 在美国根本没有知名度 and in America at this moment in time, Hezbollah does not have a face.
或许你来证明有新闻性吧 - That's why. - Perhaps you approve journalism objectivity,
先把题目给我，我再做决定 and I see the questions first. Then I decide if I grant the interview.
不，那不是我们的作风 No. We don't do that.
您一定看过六十分钟 您一定听过我们的好评 You've seen 60 Minutes and Mike Wallace, so you know our reputation for integrity and objectivity.
我们是美国收视率最高 风评最好的新闻性节目 You also know we are the highest-rated, most-respected... TV magazine news show in America.
我能请主持人华勒斯前来采访吗 So, Mr. Wallace-- should he get on a plane or not?
告诉他，我们后天再见 Tell him I'll see him day after tomorrow.
很好，可以 That's good. That works.
我有个问题，可能有点怪... You know, I want to ask you something. I know it sounds odd, but--
有人吗，族长，你还在吗？ Hello? Sheikh?
诺曼 干么？ - Norman? - What? What?
拿下眼罩 Take your blindfold off.
欢迎回到世界 Welcome to the world.
这里到处都是电波 Fluctuating all over the place.
如果在这里拍 我们要有发电机和电缆线 Anywhere we shoot here, it's gonna be portable gennies and we'll run cable.
哈罗 - Hello?
麦克，是我，我们有戏唱了 - Mike, it's me. We're on.
嗨，甜心 - [ TVPlaying Cartoons ] - Hi, honey.
嗨，爹地 - Hi, Daddy. -
有什么新鲜事吗？ What's new?
我今天得到一颗星 - Miss Loughrey gave me a star today.
是吗，怎么得到的？ - Yeah? What for?
阅读课得到的 - For reading.
真好 - That's great.
现在看卡通太早了吧？ A little early for cartoons, isn't it?
好吧 Okay.
黛比，黛比 Deborah? Debbie?
我怎么不知道你在家？ Oh, I didn't know you were home.
今天有点早，不是吗？ It's early, isn't it?
我要带黛比去上芭蕾 [ Sighs ] Gotta take Debbie to ballet.
妈咪 [ Girl ] Mommy!
快点！快点 Sweetheart, come on. Come on.
她又在玩我的小熊维尼了 -She was playing with my Pooh doll again. - [ Hyperventilating ]
慢慢来，深呼吸 Slow down. Slow down. Slow down. Breathe deep. Breathe deep.
慢慢来，甜心 - [ Hyperventilating ] - Slow down, honey. Slow down.
慢慢来 Slow down.
深呼吸 Here we go. Deep breaths.
她又在玩我的小熊维尼 - Deep breaths. -She was playing with the Pooh doll.
维尼很脏，身上都是灰 让你吸进灰尘了 Pooh's dusty, sweetheart. He's dusty, and you breathed him in.
所以，听我说 Okay? So, what's happening to you-- Look at me.
你现在要做的事是 What's happening to you now is cells called mass cells...
不要再吸进任何灰尘了 told your lungs, '' Don't breathe any more of that dust in.''
一旦气管被堵住了 气喘就会发作 And the airways in your lungs are like branches, and when the branches close up, you get an asthmatic attack,
我们给你一些药，你就会好点 and we give you medicine, and you get better.
好了，好点没？ Uh-huh? Okay? Better already, aren't you?
你还好吗？ Okay, baby?
我明天可以去跳舞吗？ Can I go to dance tomorrow? I-I'm better.
芭芭拉去踢足球，你就去跳舞 If you are, then I'll take Barbara to soccer and take you to dance after.
我可以带她去 I can take her.
你明天不到办公室吗？ Don't you have to be at the office?
还有饭吗？ - Is there any more rice?
在锅子里 - Yes, it's on the stove.
你还要饭吗？ [ Mother ] Do you want more rice?
等会吧 -[ Deborah ] Maybe later.
你呢？ -[ Mother ] How about you?
我要一点 -[ Barbara ] I'll take some.
速食米？ - Instant rice?
我可以去珍妮家吗？ [ Barbara ] Can I go over toJeanine's house?
抱歉，亲爱的 你看见我的马克杯没？ - I'm sorry, darling. Have you seen my coffee mug?
到车里看看 - Try the car.
这些箱子是做什么的？ Um, what are those boxes?
我要去商店 - I'm going to the store. You need anything?
买什么？ - What do you need at the store?
酱油 - Soy sauce.
现在吗？ - Right now?
那些是我办公室里的东西 That's my stuff from the office.
为什么带回来？ Why did you take your stuff from the office?
我不想留下来 - I didn't want to leave it there.
我搞不懂 - I don't understand.
今天早上我被开除 I got fired this morning.
还能放到哪里去 Where else am I gonna take it?
为什么？ Why?
是谁通知你？ Who said?
山达福总裁 Thomas Sandefur.
我们该怎么办？ What are we supposed to do?
我们的医疗保险怎么办？ What about our medical coverage? What about our health?
我们还有车贷、房贷怎么办？ What about our... car payments? The payments on this house?
合约里还包括这些 公司会继续给付 The severance agreement includes cash payoffs over time... and continuing medical coverage.
确定不要买什么？ - [ Gasps ] - Sure you don't need anything?
不要，谢谢 No, thank you.
杰夫瑞 Jeffrey?
很高兴你来当我的上宾 I am very pleased to receive you as my guest, Mr. Wallace.
谢谢你邀请我们 - Well, thank you for having us.
发电机有点问题 - Think I got a problem with the gennie.
我到外面去 I gotta go outside.
帮我个忙 Give me a hand with this, will you?
诺曼？ Norman!
他说你不能靠这么近 -He says, uh, you must not sit so close.
什么？ -What?
太远我无法进行访问 I can't conduct an interview from back there. - [ Translating ] - [ Speaking In Arabic ]
你必须挪后座位 You must move back your chair.
你告诉他，我采访时 Well, you tell him that when I conduct an interview,
爱坐哪，就坐哪 I sit anywhere I damn please.
专访取消 - There is no interview. - You!
你！就是你 I'm talking to you!
你以为我这个糟老头 会是个杀手？ What the hell do you think I am, a 7 8-year-old assassin?
用这本笔记簿劈死他吗？ You think I'm gonna karate him to death with this notepad?
你在帮我翻译吧？ 是的 - Are you interpreting what I'm saying? - Yes.
我们好了 - We're there.
问他到底懂不懂阿拉伯文 - Good. Well, ask him if Arabic is his second language.
不要问 - Don't interpret that.
停停停，慢慢来 Hold it! Hold it! Slow. Slow.Hold it.
族长，您介不介意转个方向 Sheikh, do you mind? If you would just turn your chair a little bit...
面对华勒斯先生？ to face Mr. Wallace.
可以吗？ 可以 - Is that okay? - Okay.
你准备好没...还是要继续暖场 Are you ready, or do you wanna keep fucking around... and warm up some more?
不需要，我心跳够快了 - No. I've got my heart started.
好的 - Okay.
陶得，给华勒斯一个近照 All right, Todd. Give me the three-button on Mike, please.
好，我们开始拍了 Good. Good. Okay, we are rolling.
好了，麦克 - Okay, Mike. - Sheikh Fadlallah.
法拉拉族长，感谢你接见我们 你是恐怖份子吗？ Thank you so much for seeing us. Are you a terrorist?
华先生，我是上帝的仆人 Mr. Wallace, I am a servant of God.
上帝的仆人，是吗？ A servant of God? Really?
美国人相信轰炸美国使馆的人 Americans believe that you-- as an Islamic fundamentalist--
就是你领导的回教基本教派... that you are a leader who contributed to the bombing of the U.S. Embassy.
所有人还都以为加拿大骑警 是专救美女的大英雄 Everybody thinks Canadian Mounties ride horses and rescue ladies from rapids.
在欧加印地安人保卫祖坟 免成为高球场的混战中 Mike, they backed locals in Oka in a fight with Mohawks... over building a golf course on their burial site,
他们加入当地人 鞭打示威游行的人 -[ Phone Ringing ] - they beat up protesters at Kanasake--
你打哪儿听来的？ - Where'd you hear that? - Hello.
有人做过市调？ Oh, someone took a poll?
加拿大的题材很无趣 ''Are all things Canadian boring?''
史都华从墨西哥打来的 - It's Stuart. He's in Mexico City.
我再打给你 - Oh. Let me call you back.
是的，史都华 Yeah, Stuart?
什么纽约银行？ 嗨，爸 - What New York bank? - Hey, Dad.
他肯在镜头前这么说吗？ Will he go on camera and talk about the Mexico City branch?
嗨，雪伦 嗨，杰克 - Hey,Jake.
他们洗的是谁的钱？ - Whose money are they laundering?
今早没课？ - No classes this morning?
十点半以后才有 - I don't have to be there till 1 0:30.
嗨，妈，罗威 - Hey, Mom. Hello.
嗨，亲爱的 - Hi, sweetheart.
哈罗 - Hello?
是 Yeah.- Do independent sources corroborate?
爸，外面有个箱子是你的 有相关人士肯确认此事吗？ - Dad,you got a box out here. - Let me see this a second.
我随时要知道你的行踪 - [ Chuckles ] - 'Cause I gotta know where you're going at all times.
我明天飞到波士顿 I can't. I've gotta fly to Boston tomorrow.
下午两点 2:00 P.M. Great.
太好了，再见 - Bye-bye.
易燃倾向 - ''Ignition propensity.''
你懂这些是什么吗？ You understand any of this?
不懂 No. [ Chuckles ]
看起来好像是温度表 Uh, this looks like a table of temperatures.
是谁给的？ - Who's this from?
匿名人士，与PM有关 - It's anonymous. References to '' P.M.''
一定是菲力普莫利斯公司 It's gotta be Phillip Morris, huh?
我要冲个澡 Hmm. I have to take a shower.
请说 - [ Phone Ringing ] - Yeah?
我是奥道格 Hi. This is Doug Oliver.
嗨，道格，是罗威 Oh, hi, Doug. It's Lowell.
我正在做一篇报导有关 人们抽烟睡着引起火灾 I'm doing this story on fire safety, and people burning up from falling asleep smoking.
有人从菲力普莫利斯 寄来一堆科学资料 I receive a shitload of scientific papers from inside Phillip Morris.
匿名的 Anonymous. You or anybody in F.D.A. know someone...
你认识有人可以帮忙 把这些翻译成英文吗？ who can translate this stuff into English for me?
有 Uh, yeah.
哈罗 - Hello?
拜托，请找华先生 - Uh, Mr. Wigand, please?
有人要找爸爸，妈 Someone's calling for Daddy, Mom.
谢谢 是哪位？ - Oh. Thank you, Bob. - Who's calling?
我是博罗威 Uh, my name is Lowell Bergman.
伯父的伯？ - Did you say '' Berman''?
不，博爱的博 - No, Bergman. B-E-R-G-M-A-N.
我是“六十分钟” 的制作人 - I'm a producer for 60 Minutes. - 60 Minutes?
电视节目 “六十分钟”？ - Yeah. - 60 Minutes, the television show?
没错 - Yes.
他不想接电话 - He doesn't want to talk to you.
为什么？ 他根本不知道我来电的原因 How does he know he doesn't want to talk to me? He doesn't know what I'm calling him about.
他不想知道 He doesn't care to know.
这里是华家 留言或传真请开始 This is the Wigands'.- If you'd like to leave a message or send a fax, start now. -[ Beeps ]
我是博罗威，六十分钟制作人 This is Lowell Bergman with 60 Minutes, and I'm doing a story...
我正在作一篇 有关香烟引起火灾相关报导 on fire safety and cigarettes.
手上有些烟草公司的文件 I have scientific documents from a tobacco company,
需要你协助说明 and I could use your help as a consultant... explaining these documents to me.
我的电话号码是 510-555-0199 Now, my number is area code 5 1 0-555-0 1 99.
十分钟后，请打这个号码 - I'll be there at this number in ten minutes. -[ Hangs Up ]
“请回电”
“我不可以与你交谈”
“是不可以，不肯，还是不要”
“不可以、不肯、也不要”
“肯德基路意斯维丝芭旅馆”
如果你想见我 If you're curious to meet me,
明天下午五点钟 我人会坐在丝芭旅馆大厅 I'm gonna be in the lobby of the Seelbach Hotel in Louisville...
看纽约时报，我会在那里 reading The New York Times tomorrow at 5:00.
你一直住在路意斯维？ [ Bergman ] Have you always lived in Louisville?
博先生 你需要我帮什么忙？ Mr. Bergman, what did you want me to consult about?
是谁？ - [ Knock On Door ] - Who's that?
客房服务 That's room service.
他们都会先敲门 They usually knock first.
进来 Come on in.
请放在那里 Over here, please.
谢谢 - Thank you.
喝怎样的咖啡，纯的？ - How do you like your coffee? Black?
纯的，纯的 Black. Black.
听着，我的时间不多 I really don't have that much time. [ Clears Throat ]
你不想了解一下我吗？ Is there anything you want to know about me, Mr. Wigand?
了解什么？你的星座吗？ Like what? Your sign?
我只了解我需要知道的部分 I know what I have to know.
只想让你知道 Just so I know you know,
我不会出卖我的消息来源 when I talk to people in confidence, it stays that way.
你怎会从激进刊物到这来？ How did a radical journalist from Ramparts magazine end up at CBS?
我还是做争议性议题报导 I still do the tough stories.
六十分钟收视率很高 60 Minutes reaches a lot of people.
让我看看那些文件 Let me see the documents.
这是菲力普莫利斯公司内部 产品防火安全的研究报告 This is a, um, fire-safety product study for Phillip Morris.
点燃率、防火准备，诸如此类 Burn rates, ignition propensity, things of this nature.
我大可以向你解说 I could very easily explain this to you in layman's terms...
因为这是其他公司的文件 because it's from another company.
但是我只能做到如此 - But that's as far as I go.
如此什么？ - As far as you go where?
这文件微不足道，我可以谈论 This issue is a drop in the bucket. I can talk to you about what's in here, but I--
其他就不行 I can't talk to you about anything else.
我签过保密条款 我非常小心 I signed a confidentiality agreement. I honor agreements.
CBS没有所谓的保密条款吗？ Doesn't CBS have confidentiality agreements, Mr. Bergman?
管理阶层与记者间应该有吧 Between journalists and management, yes, I believe they do.
但我不是十分重视 But I don't take that seriously.
你在哪高就？ Where do you work?
已经是过去了 过去？ Did work. - Did work?
我可以得到多少酬劳？ - How much would I get paid?
你必须跟节目部谈 That you have to discuss with CBS Business Affairs.
但是这种工作 通常是一万到一万二之间 But for something like this, I would say anywhere between ten, 1 2 thousand.
我就可以把文件带走吗？ Should I just take the documents now?
如果你愿意 If you want to do it.
我曾经是布朗威廉烟草公司 研发部主管 I worked as a, uh, head of Research and Development for Brown & Williamson. Tobacco company.
我的职位是副总裁 I was a corporate vice president.
幸会 Mr. Bergman.
叙利亚总统认为困难依然存在 [ Wallace On Television ] President Assad of Syria said... that difficult obstacles remain, but that his country,
但他的国家希望 与以色列和平共存 ''looks forward to a great long peace with Israel.''
这会得奖！ - That's a Peabody, Mike.
等你作古之后 When you're dead and buried,
华勒斯，这会让你留名千古 this is the one they're gonna remember you by.
你跟我们一起吃吗？ - Are you eating with us?
好 - Yeah.
戴条领带，才不用走后门 - Bring a tie so they let us in the front door. - [ Chuckles ]
来吧 Come on.
黛比 - Debbie!
哈罗 -[ Man ] Hey, Lowell.
纽约一家银行墨西哥洗钱的事 司法部正在调查 Oh, Bill. Main Justice is investigating a major New York bank... laundering narco dollars out of their Mexico City branch.
晚间新闻有兴趣吗？ -You want it for the news?
你还有人力吗？ -What about you? You got a crew already?
我准备作后续深入报导 好的 - I'm gonna do a follow-up.
待会再聊 Catch you later. - Okay.
黛比 - Debbie. - How are you?
让法务部门研究企业保密条款 I want you to get Legal on a corporate confidentiality agreement.
相关限制，还有肯德基州法 - Okay. - Boundaries of their constraint, Kentucky state law about--
先放下手边所有工作 - I want you to drop everything. - Okay.
你有零钱吗？ - I don't have any change. You got some change? - Oh, here.
“陪审团判定辛普森无罪”
Tony.
华先生，你可以上去了 [ Man ] Mr. Wigand? You can go up now.
抱歉，我正准备领奖 Sorry. I'm accepting an award... from the Retinitis Pigmentosa Foundation.
光准备就花了我一整天 It's gonna kill the rest of my day.
怎样？最近有没练高尔夫？ So, have you had a chance to play golf?
杰夫瑞，球打得好啊 现在打高标准杆二杆？ Jeff's a premier golfer. What are you, a two handicap?
七杆 - Seven. - And he gets out there...
他一出手就领先我们五杆 and he has five strokes on us.
他是我认识人里，最专心的 He has more concentration than anybody I've ever met.
专心的吓人 It's spooky how he can concentrate.
空谈无益 I'd rather play than talk about it.
你为何找我来？ What did you want to see me about?
我不喜欢回到这里 I don't like being back here.
杰夫瑞就是直肠子 Jeffrey says exactly what's on his mind.
多数人都会拐弯抹角 Most people consider what they're saying-- social skills.
杰夫瑞总是实话实说 Jeffrey just charges right ahead.
你应该了解你与布朗威廉 签署的合约上保密条款内容 Now, I know you understood the nature of the confidentiality portion... of your severance agreement with Brown & Williamson.
一字一句 - Chapter and verse.
我知道你清楚 - Yeah, I know you do.
你知道我是业务起家 You know, I came up through sales.
做业务最要紧的是说话算话 One of the reasons I was a great salesman... was I never made a promise I couldn't keep.
如果说话不算话 I knew that if I ever broke my promise,
就要承担后果 I'd suffer the consequence.
你在威胁我吗？ Is that a threat?
我们在一起工作过多久？ 三年有吧？ We worked together for-- what was it, three years?
我们工作的内容是保密的 Now, the work we did here is confidential, not for public scrutiny...
就像是家丑，不能公诸于世 any more than are one's family matters.
你现在威胁我家人吗？ You're threatening my family now too?
杰夫瑞，别胡思乱想 [ Chuckles ] Now, don't be paranoid,Jeff.
我们也许曾对研究方向有分歧 About the direction of research here, we may have had our differences, but--
你也配谈研究 Research. You declare
你连水沸腾的原理都不懂 as a badge of honor you don't even know what makes water boil.
所以我们才花钱请科学家 Well, that's why we hire scientists.
好吧 [ Scoffs ] Okay.
我同意没有保密条款 就没有职业道德 I don't believe that you can maintain corporate integrity... without confidentiality agreements.
你们付的薪水很高 I was paid well for my work,
健保及福利都很好 the health and welfare benefits are good,
整个合约都很公平 the severance package is fair.
我无意触犯保密条款 I have no intention of violating my confidentiality agreement...
说出些我不该说的事 and disclosing that which I said I wouldn't.
我很感激 I appreciate all that,Jeff,
但是考虑再三，我们觉得 有必要让我们更安心 but upon reflection, we've decided to expand our zone of comfort with you,
所以我们重新拟了一份附件 so we've drafted a supplement to your agreement.
将保密的定义及范围扩大 It broadly defines and expands in more detail... what is confidential.
如此一来 就不会有人不小心误犯 Nobody will be able to say, ''Well, hell's bells, Margaret, I didn't know that was a secret.''
我们很小心保护自己权益 We're very serious about protecting our interests.
我们希望你能签下它 We'd like you to sign it.
如果我不肯？ And if I don't?
如果我们认定你另有打算 If we arrive at the conclusion that you're acting in bad faith,
我们可以终止你的福利给付 we would terminate right now payoffs under your severance package,
你家人的健保 同时对你提出控诉，华先生 you and your family's medical benefits and initiate litigation against you, Mr. Wigand.
是华博士 - Dr. Wigand. - Dr. Wigand.
华博士，你读过这份文件后 If you've examined the document,
就会发现这样对你最好 你就会签名 you'll see it's in your own best interest...and you'll sign it.
你是说你无缘无故开除我 这样还不够 What you're saying is it isn't enough that you fired me for no good reason.
现在还质疑我的操守？ Now you question my integrity?
你除了用开除来羞辱我外 你还威胁我？ On top of the humiliation of being fired, you threaten me,
你威胁我家人？ you threaten my family.
我从来无意不遵守合约 It never crossed my mind not to honor my agreement.
我告诉你，山达福先生 I will tell you, Mr. Sandefur--
你跟布朗威廉你们想玩我？ 去你们的 and Brown & Williamson too--Fuck me? Well, fuck you!
我不确定他听懂没？ I'm not sure he got the message.
我想他听懂了 Oh, I think he did.
你整我？ - Yeah. - You fucked me!
你是谁？ - Who's this?
不会出卖消息来源？ - Protect your sources?
你整我，出卖我 You screwed me. You sold me out.
你在胡说什么，你人在哪里？ - What are you talking about? Where are you?
去你的 - Fuck you too!
离我远点 Stay away from me.
你离我远点 You stay away from me!
杰夫瑞，你忘了他们的便当 Jeffrey, you forgot the lunches!
华太太 - Mrs. Wigand?
快进去 -Jump in quick. Come on.
哈罗，我是博罗威 我们通过电话 How do you do? I'm Lowell Bergman. We spoke on the phone.
我想谈谈 - Come here. I want to talk to you.
很好，我也是 - Good. I want to talk to you.
这是我家，我老婆小孩面前 我没有背叛你 - This is my house. In front of my wife, my kids? - I did not burn you.
我没有把你给卖了 I did not give you up to anyone.
你在这干么？ 我们有公事吗？ - What business do we have? - I'm here to straighten something out with you.
来跟你把话说清楚，现在 Right here, right now.
如果你没提过我 布朗威廉怎会知道我们见过面 You haven't mentioned my name? You haven't talked to anybody about me? - What am I gonna mention your name for? - Why are Brown & Williamson--
我哪知道什么布朗威廉？ How the hell do I know about Brown & Williamson?
我们见面后才发生 It happened just after I talked to you.
我不喜欢巧合 I do not like coincidences.
我不喜欢被乱栽赃 Well, I don't like paranoid accusations.
我是个记者 I'm a journalist.
用脑袋想想记者如何做事 Think. Use your head. How do I operate as a journalist? By screwing the people...
难道线民尚未提供消息前 就先把他们卖了吗？ who could provide me with information before they provided me with it?
你大老远就是来说这些？ - You came all the way down here to tell me that? - No, I did not.
不是，烟草公司是条大新闻 Big Tobacco is a big story,
你有要紧的事没说，我知道 and you got something important to say. I can tell.
但没错，我大老远来告诉你 But yes, I did. I came all the way down here to tell you--
有新闻没新闻，去你的新闻 Story, no story-- fuck your story.
我绝不会出卖人 I don't burn people.
跟我一起送女儿上学 Ride with me while I take the girls to school.
我的女儿有气喘病 [ Wigand ] My little girl has acute asthma.
我的大女儿，黛比 Deborah, my oldest daughter.
我失业了 And I'm unemployed,
但我得维护健保的福利 so I have to protect my medical coverage.
我留了话给他们 那份合约附件... So I left them a message this morning. Their expanded confidentiality agreement--
我愿意签署 I will sign it.
他们看来很怕你 - They're afraid of you, aren't they?
本来就该如此 - They should be.
我们谈谈合约以外的事 Talk to me outside the zone of your agreement.
譬如说？ - Like what?
你在布朗威廉之前的工作 - Like, uh, where'd you work before Brown & Williamson?
我曾待过娇生 之前，我在日本的联合化工 Johnson &Johnson. Union Carbide in Japan.
我是新产品部门总经理 我会说日文 I was the general manager and director of new products. I speakJapanese.
之前是辉瑞药厂研发部主管 I was a director of corporate development at Pfizer.
全跟健康有关 All health-related.
你还想知道些什么？ What else outside the zone?
尼克队今年能打进准决赛吗？ I don't know. Do you think the Knicks are gonna make it to the semifinals?
举例说明 -Just give me an example. - Okay.
好，例如： 当娇生公司总裁柏克先生 For example, um, James Burke. - C.E.O. ofJohnson &Johnson. - Yeah.
得知感冒药被千面人下毒后 When he found out that some lunatic had put poison in Tylenol bottles,
不等食品药品行政单位通知 he didn't argue with the F.D.A. He didn't even wait for the F.D.A. to tell him. He just pulled Tylenol...
马上将美国境内所有药撤架 off every shelf of every store right across America, instantly.
然后他发明一种新的瓶盖 [ Chuckles ] And then he developed a safety cap.
因为身为总裁 他不但是伟大的生意人 Because as a C.E.O., sure, he's gotta be a great businessman, right?
同时也是个科学家 But he's also a man of science.
他不能生产有害健康的产品 He's not gonna allow his company to put on the shelf a product that might hurt people.
七矮人可不然 Not like the Seven Dwarfs.
七矮人？ - Seven Dwarfs?
七大烟草公司的总裁 - Seven C.E.O.s of Big Tobacco.
他们在国会之前 They got in front of Congress that time. It was on television.
宣称他们不知道抽烟会上瘾 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Swore under oath that they know nothing about addiction--
电视上有转播 It was on C-SPAN. Yeah.
现在情况是你在烟草公司工作 Okay, so, here you are. You-You-You go to work for tobacco.
你来自以研发为中心的企业 You come from corporate cultures where research-- really creative thinking-- these are core values.
你却到烟草公司工作 烟草公司是以销售为前提 You go to tobacco. Tobacco is a sales culture--
大量业绩 还赞助许多高尔夫球赛 market and sell enormous volume, go to a lot of golf tournaments.
其他的不提，为何选择烟草？ The hell with everything else. What are you doing?
我不能谈 - Why are you working for tobacco in the first place? - I can't talk about it.
我所从事的研究 应该有些正面作用 - [ Laughs ] - The work I was supposed to do... might have had some positive effect, I don't know.
应该对大家有好处 Could have been beneficial. Mostly, I got paid a lot.
不过，我的待遇很优渥 I took the money. My wife was happy.
我老婆高兴，小孩上好学校 买了大房子 My kids had good medical, good schools. Got a great house.
这没什么不对吧 I mean, what the hell is wrong with that?
没有，怎么会 Nothing's wrong with that. That's it. You're making money.
你赚钱养家，怎会不对？ You're providing for your family. What could be wrong with that?
错就错在我自认为科学家 I always thought of myself as a man of science, that's what's wrong with it.
杰夫，这你就自相矛盾 Then you're in a state of conflict,Jeff.
当下情况就是如此 Because look, here's how it lays out.
如果民众有权知道内幕 If you've got vital insider stuff, the American people, for their welfare, really do need to know,
你也决定毁约公诸于世 and you feel impelled to disclose it...
这是一回事 and violate your agreement in doing so, that's one thing.
换句话说 如果你决定尊重合约 On the other hand, if you want to honor this agreement,
很简单，就什么也别说、别做 then that's simple-- you do so. You say nothing, you do nothing.
现在只有一个人能帮你决定 There's only one guy who can figure that out for you,
就是你自己，看你自己 and that's you all by yourself.
我得去接小孩，她们只上半天 I gotta go pick up the girls. They only had a half a day.
我听够了，就回答相不相信 [ Man ] I've heard virtually all the-- We touched on it--
你们相信尼古丁不会上瘾 - Yes or no, do you believe nicotine is not addictive?
议员 - [ Man ] Congressman,
尼古丁和香烟不能相提并论 上瘾的定义，不是有毒 cigarettes and nicotine clearly do not meet the classic definitions of addiction. - There is no intoxication.
听起来是不信，时间很紧迫 We'll take that as no. Again, time is short.
我认为你们没人相信 尼古丁会上瘾，只需纪录下来 I think each of you believe nicotine is not addictive... and just would like to have this for the record.
我相信尼古丁不会上瘾 I believe that nicotine is not addictive.
我也相信尼古丁... I too believe that nicotine--
他称这些人为七矮人 He referred to this-- the Seven Dwarfs--
七矮人？ - What Seven Dwarfs?
七大烟草公司总裁 - The seven C.E.O. of Big Tobacco-- referred to this.
他说他们很怕他 Said they should be afraid of him.
我想是怕他所知道的内幕 I assume afraid of what he could reveal.
到底知道什么会威胁这些人？ Now you tell me. What does this guy have to say that threatens these people?
绝不是香烟对身体不好 Well, it isn't cigarettes are bad for you.
这大家都知道，绝不是 - Hardly new news. - No shit.
这算是什么？ - What's this?
这是烟草业者标准说辞 - What that is is tobacco's standard defense.
不知道上瘾、不会吧 It's the ''we don't know'' litany.
生病，没听说啊 Addiction? We believe not. Disease? We don't know.
不过是些叶子卷起来 We take a bunch of leaves, we roll them together, you smoke 'em.
接下来，你就自求多福 After that, you're on your own. We don't know.
他们什么也没说 So, that tells me nothing.
况且无法知道他有什么内幕 - Besides, you'll never get what he's got.
怎么无法知道 - Why not?
保密条款啊！他永远不能说出来 Because of this guy's confidentiality agreement, he's never gonna be able to talk to you.
这不够说服力 That's not good enough. This guy is the top scientist...
这人曾是全美第三大烟草公司 工作过的科学家 in the number-three tobacco company in America.
财星杂志五百大企业里 不会出现告密者 He's a corporate officer. You never get whistle-blowers from Fortune 500 companies.
他一定握有内幕 This guy is the ultimate insider.
他有话要说 而我要他在六十分钟里说 He's got something to say. He wants to say it. I want it on 60 Minutes.
他要说些什么不重要 我是否听错什么？ - Doesn't matter what he wants. -[ Wallace ] Am I missing something here?
怎么了？ -What do you mean, Mike?
只因他签有企业保密条款 -He's got a corporate secrecy agreement.
帮帮忙吧！ Give me a break.
这可是与公共医疗相关 This is a public health issue,
就好像是不安全的喷射机 like an unsafe air frame on a passenger jet...
或有人倾倒氰化物到东河 or some company dumping cyanide into the East River.
他愿意说，我们就能播出 Issues like that. He can talk, we can air it.
他们不能用保密条款来遮掩 牛奶递给我 They've got no right to hide behind a corporate agreement. Pass the milk.
当然可以，他们有钱 They don't need the right. They got the money.
他们有花不完的银子 The unlimited checkbook.
大烟草公司总是能全身而退 That's how Big Tobacco wins...every time on everything.
他们花钱告死你 They spend you to death.
一年对外诉讼费用有六亿 $600 million a year in outside legal.
加上一些知名的律师事务所 Chadbourne-Park, Ken Starr's firm, Kirkland and Ellis.
知名汽车公司的问题 很快就会曝光 Listen, G.M. and Ford, they get nailed... after 1 1 or 1 2 pickups blow up, right?
但这些小丑们从来不会 让他们的糗事给抖出来 -These clowns have never-- I mean ever-- -[ Man ] Not even once.
即使每年相关死伤人数上百 Not even with hundreds of thousands dying each year from an illness...
他们未曾输掉任何一件官司 related to their product have ever lost a personal injury lawsuit.
像这样的案子 他们会申请言论禁止令 On this case, they'll issue gag orders, sue for breach-- anticipatory breach--
告他毁约，让法院约束他 enjoin him, you, us, his pet dog, the dog's veterinarian,
接着一些有关、无关人等 准备十五年长期抗战吧 tie 'em up in litigation for ten or 1 5 years, I'm telling you, they bat a thousand.
那些家伙总是能赢 Every time. He knows that.
他也知道，所以才闭嘴 That's why he's not gonna talk to you.
我们重新再来一次 Okay, let's look through the looking glass the other way.
什么意思？ What do you mean?
这家伙有话要说，但不能说 We got a guy who wants to talk, but he's constrained.
如果他被强制一定要说明？ - What if he were compelled to talk? - Oh, torture. Great ratings.
折磨他，收视率会高 强制是什么意思？ [ Chuckles ] What do you mean, ''compelled''?
司法部强制他上法院作证 I mean, compelled by a, uh,Justice Department. State courts. Be a witness.
这下就不与任何保密条款 相抵触吧 That would cut through any confidentiality agreement, wouldn't it?
怎么说呢？ - What does that do?
什么怎么说？ - What do you mean, what does it do?
如何不抵触？ What I mean is like, how does it cut through the confidentiality agreement?
因为他是出庭作证 Because he has to, uh, reveal it in a court of law.
事实就会呈现，不再是秘密 It's on record. It's out. It's no secret anymore.
他们能限制他或是报复吗？ So how can they restrain his speech or retaliate? It's out in the world.
出庭这一招可能行得通 If you could engineer it into the court record, you might have something.
他们不能限制他作证 They would have a hell of a time trying to restrain his speech then, wouldn't they?
出哪种庭，什么情况下？ Yeah, but what venue?
他有杀人不眨眼辩护律师？ And where does he get-- Does he have killer attorneys?
他应该没有辩护律师 I don't think he's got any attorneys.
他会需要一个 He's gonna need attorneys who aren't afraid of risking years of litigation...
肯自掏腰包、花时间的律师 and millions of dollars of their own dough in legal costs.
你认为呢，麦克？ What do you say, Mike? What do you think?
即使有了辩护律师 Even if he gets the defense team,
他真的愿意出面吗？ will he go for it?
您的资历太丰富，华博士 You're awfully overqualified, Dr. Wigand.
我只想重新开始 I'm trying to start a new career.
我相信我会是个好老师 I believe I could be a good teacher.
我会仔细考虑 Let me give it some thought.
没有什么医疗相关机构 And not a lot of companies in the health
会雇用烟草公司的转业人士 care field hire ex-tobacco scientists.
差不多了 That's it.
我们的小孩在这出生 It's where our babies were born.
黛比在那草地上跨出第一步 Debbie took her first steps right there on-- In the grass.
这不在我的计划中 - I didn't plan on this. - Hey, hey, hey.
别哭，别哭 Come on. Come on.
我们一起一定可以渡过 We can make this work for us. Okay?
不过是过省点 It's just-- It's not-- It's just-- It's a smaller scale.
简单点、容易点的日子 Simpler, easier.
有更多时间 我们会有更多时间 More time. More time together.
陪孩子、陪对方 More time with the kids. More time for us. Okay? It's just--
想想我可以愉快地下班回家 Can you imagine me coming home from some job... feeling good at the end of the day?
这样会更好 This is gonna be better.
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- Back to-- -[ Woman On Radio ] Welcome back.
宝贝，怎么了？ Hey, baby. What's wrong?
爸爸，外面是谁？ Who's that outside, Daddy?
你看见或听见什么吗？ - Did you see somebody or did you hear them?
我听见声音 - I heard him.
哪里？ - Where?
后院 - In the backyard.
你坐在这里，在书桌旁 Sit at Daddy's desk, okay? Why don't you sit up at the desk.
All right?
拿出纸来画张图给我 Get out some paper, and draw me a picture. Okay?
你要画些什么？画动物吗？ What are you gonna draw me, baby? An animal?
还是什么东西？ Something like that?
你留在这等爸爸回来 You stay down here until Daddy gets back, all right, Barbara?
就留在这里 You stay down here.
我差点打破你的脑袋 You almost got your damn head blown off.
爸爸 Daddy!
只是只浣熊，没什么 It was just a racoon, baby. Nothin'.
他们是夜行性动物，知道吗？ They're nocturnal. You know what that means?
他们晚上才出门 That means that they only come out at nighttime.
请说 - Yeah. - Lowell.Jeffrey Wigand.
罗威，我是华杰夫 - Yeah. - Lowell.Jeffrey Wigand.
会太晚吗？ Is it too late?
不会、不会，没关系 No, no, it's okay. I--
新家如何？ How-How's the new place?
新家？就是新吧 The new place? New.
你还好吗？ - You okay?
好 - Sure.
我正想明天打电话找你 I was thinking of calling you tomorrow anyway.
小孩都还适应新家吗？ - Uh, how's your kids, uh, handling the new house?
还好 - Good.
你有孩子吗？ - You got kids?
两个 - We have a couple.
一个是我老婆的，一个我的 One's hers, one's mine.
每个人都有不同姓 Everybody uses a different name.
现代婚姻 Modern marriage.
莲恩好吗？ Uh, how's Liane?
她还好 Uh, she's okay. Uh--
等一下 Hold on a minute.
罗威 Lowell.
好像有人在监视我 我不知道，但他们到我家里过 Somebody may be following me. I-I don't know. They came on the property.
监视你？ What do you mean, following you?
你报警了吗？ Did you call the police?
我不想被说有妄想症 I-I don't wanna be paranoid. I mean--
也许他们在玩精神游戏 - Maybe it's a game. Some kind of mind game.
你怎么想呢？ - What do you really think?
我不知道，有人在玩我吗？ 是什么神经病吗？ I don't know what the fuck I really think. Are they doing it? Is some crank doing it?
他们想把我逼疯？ 还是他们来真的？我不知道 Are they doing it to make me feel paranoid? Are they doing it for real and don't give a shit what I think? I don't know.
我真的不知道 - I don't fuckin' know. -Jeffrey, describe for me...
仔细告诉我发生什么事 in detail what happened.
地上有脚印，算了 Well-- No. Look, I mean, there was a footprint. Forget it.
也许没什么 It's probably not important at all.
我找到新工作 You know, I got a job now.
教高中化学和日文 I'm teaching high school.Japanese and Chemistry.
你打电话来做什么？ Uh, so, uh, what were you calling about?
是你打来的 - You called me.
你说过要打来找我，做什么？ - No, you said you were gonna call me tomorrow.
对，我想见个面 - So, what about? - Oh, yes, yes, yes. I did. I wanted to talk to you.
继续那天车上的话题 I wanted to hook up with you, talk to you about what we were talking about in your car.
好 Okay.
能学以致用让你感觉很棒？ It makes you feel good, putting what you know to use?
你怎么知道？ - How'd you know that, Lowell?
看得出来，不是吗？ - It's obvious, isn't it?
喂，你还在吗？ Hello? Are you there?
在 Yeah.
听着，谢谢你听我说话 Look, um--
抱歉吵醒你 Thanks for talking. I'm sorry I woke you up.
没关系 - I didn't know. - It's okay.
罗威 - Lowell. - [ Static On Phone Line ]
是谁？ Who is this?
别打到这来，别打到... Do not call here! Do not--
（日文）
你点了些什么？ What are you gonna get us?
天妇罗 - Tempura. - [ Laughing ]
网路上说你做了些研究之后 The Internet said you did graduate work at Wisconsin,
到圣地牙哥大学跟了马教授 then went to U.C. La Jolla with Professor Herbert?
马教授，对 他是我的精神导师 - Marcus-- - Marcuse. Yeah. He was my mentor.
他对新左派思想 以及我个人有很大影响 He had a major influence on the New Left in the late '60s. And on me, personally.
除你父亲之外？ - Next to your father? - My father?
这跟我父亲有什么关联？ What the hell's that got to do with my father?
我... I, uh-- [ Clears Throat ]
你当记者就是为了发问权？ Is that why you became a journalist? Then you get to ask all the questions?
你以钟点计费？ You charge by the hour?
我父亲是个机械工程师 My father was a-- [ Clears Throat ] a mechanical engineer.
是我见过最有发明天份的人 Most ingenious man I ever knew.
我五岁时，我父亲就失踪了 My father left us when I was five years old.
他不是我见过最有天份的人 He was not the most ingenious man I ever knew.
我们再来谈谈布朗威廉公司 Let's get back to Brown & Williamson.
如果你要上“六十分钟” If you decide to go on 60 Minutes,
我得知道你被开除的原委 I gotta know everything about why you were fired.
为什么？ - Why? - They're gonna dig up stuff from your past.
他们会尽全力揭你疮疤 我得做好准备 They're gonna throw it at you. I gotta know what they're gonna throw.
你懂吗？ You understand?
我喝酒，有几次喝过头 I drink. - Couple of occasions more than I should have. - Um-hmm.
我有过顺手牵羊纪录 但是那是个错误 I was cited for shoplifting once, but it was a mistake.
我推过老婆一把 Pushed Liane one time. We were both stressed out because of the pressure.
不过那时我们压力都大 她因此回娘家 She went to her mother's. [ Clears Throat ]
我被开除因为... I got, uh, fired, because, uh,
我生气时不懂得自制 when I get angry, I have difficulty censoring myself,
我不喜欢被盘问 and I don't like to be pushed around.
我不是在盘问你 I'm not pushing you around.
我是在发问 I'm asking you questions.
我只是你的商品吧？ I'm just a commodity to you, aren't I?
只有在广告之间出现的份 I could be anything, right? Anything worth putting on between commercials.
对电视公司而言我们全是商品 To a network, probably, we're all commodities.
对我而言，你比商品更重要 To me, you're not a commodity. What you are is important.
当三千万人都听到你的说法 You go public, and 30 million people hear what you gotta say,
一切，一切都会变得不一样 nothing-- I mean nothing-- will ever be the same again.
你相信吗？ - You believe that? - No.
不相信 你该信的 You should. Because when you're done the judgement...
因为当你说完后 舆论自然有所定夺 is gonna go down in the court of public opinion, my friend.
这就是你的力量 And that's... the power you have.
你相信吗？ - You believe that? - I believe that?
我相信吗？信 - Yes, I believe that. - You believe that...
你相信一席话会造成改变 没错 - because you get information out to people, something happens? - Yes.
也许这是你评定自己 有份好工作的理由 Maybe that's just what you've been telling yourself all these years... to justify having a good job.
有身份地位 Having status.
也许观众全是偷窥狂 Maybe for the audience it's just voyeurism, something to do on a Sunday night.
也许什么都不会改变 Maybe it won't change a fuckin' thing,
而我们被利用完就没价值 and people like myself and my family...
被抛弃、扔在一边 are left hung out to dry, used up, broke, alone.
你是对我说话吗？ 还是对着别人讲？ Are you talking to me, or did somebody else just walk in here? I never--
你不要质疑我或节目的品质 Don't evade a choice you gotta make by questioning my reputation... or 60 Minutes with this cheap skepticism.
我是拿家人的幸福下赌注 I have to put my family's welfare on the line here, my friend.
你拿什么来下注，就几句话 - What are you putting up? You're putting up words.
几句话？ - ''Words.''
当你悠闲打着高尔夫球时 While you've been dicking around some fucking company golf tournaments,
我却在外面到处闯荡 I've been out in the world givin' my word...
以事实来证明我报导的每句话 and backing it up with action.
你现在到底愿不愿意这么做 Now, are you gonna go and do this thing or not?
我打个电话，小孩快睡觉了 I said I'd call the kids before they went to bed.
这个特派员应该拍警察 [ Bergman ] Stringer was supposed to be shooting B-roll on street cops in New Orleans.
怎么拍这些马？ - What's with all the horses?
摄影师喜欢骑警嘛 -[ Man ] Camera guy's got a thing about mounted police.
这些警察不搭车或是走路吗？ Don't any of these guys ride in cars? Walk?
这些有多长？ 他说什么？ - How long are these things? - What was he saying?
哈罗，我正试着联络施理查 Hello. Yes, I'm trying to reach Mr. Richard Scruggs.
我是施理查 This is Richard Scruggs.
这真是糟糕 Can you hold on a second, please?
罗威，他在线上 Lowell, got him on the phone.
哈罗，我是博罗威 - Hello, I'm Lowell Bergman. - Hold on.
等一等 塔台，这是李尔六四三 Mobile Approach, this is Leo-November-643. Over.
请求准许飞行高度二二零 Request a flight level of 220...
完毕 on a heading of 284 degrees. Over.
博先生？ - Mr. Bergman? - Yes, I'm right here.
是的，你可以拨专线进来吗？ - Could you call me back on a hard line?
好的 - All right.
区域号码212-555-0199 - Area code 21 2-5 5 5-01 99.
我打给你 - I'll call you then.
我们如何处理那些片段？ 不知道 [ Bergman Muttering ] What do we do with that? - I don't know. - [ Phone Ringing ]
你代表密西西比州 起诉一家烟草公司，是吧？ Richard Scruggs. You filed a lawsuit against tobacco on behalf of the state of Mississippi.
没错 - Did you not? - That's right.
我目前正跟布朗威廉公司 前高级主管合作 I'm working with someone now who's the former head of research at Brown & Williamson. Former corporate officer there.
不知您对案子有什么兴趣？ What's your interest in this, Mr. Bergman?
他愿意进行专访 Well, he may tape an interview with us,
我们相信一旦他先出庭作证 and we believe if his testimony showed up in a court record first,
则可以躲掉保密条款 it would free him up from his confidentiality agreement and give him some protection.
可以，公开就是公开 It could work. If it's public record, it's public record.
他需要法律代表 Yeah, and he's gonna need legal representation.
他绝对需要 [ Chuckling ] He sure as hell will.
确定他要出来吗？ Has he decided to go public?
因为三年来我们接触过 不少的告密者 Because let me tell ya. We been doin' this for three years now, and we've worked with a lot of corporate cases involving whistle-blowers.
烟草公司会尽一切力量阻止 So we know Big Tobacco will do everything in their power to stop him.
你的人是真心诚意吗？ So is your man truly committed?
事实上，他还在犹豫 这就是重点 Well, actually, no-- Well, he's on the fence. That's the point.
我们当然愿意见他 Well, we'd certainly be interested in making his acquaintance.
但是对他的想法一无所知... But without knowing what he's gonna do--
那是他打电话给你？ 或者你打电话给他吗？ Would you want him to call you, or you wanna call him? How do you wanna do it?
若他能打来最好 It would be better if he called us.
好，对 好吗？ - Yeah. Okay. - All right?
好，谢谢 该死！ Okay. Thank you. Shit.
我们要街上的警察不是在马上 We need cops on the streets. We don't need them on horses.
我不知道这些... 忘了吧！这个家伙是爱马人士吗 - I don't know what he was thinking. - For God's sake. - This guy got a horse fetish? - All right, all right.
今天下午我要到纽奥良 Get me, uh-- Get me to New Orleans this afternoon.
我自己去拍 I'll shoot the fucking thing myself!
祝你好运 - Have a good one. -[ Man ] All right.
你在煮什么？ [ Girl ] What are you cooking?
意大利面 - I'm cooking pasta primavera.
我喜欢 - Oh, I love that stuff.
我要下楼去了 I'm going to have to go downstairs.
“电子邮件”
“我们会杀死你”
“我们会杀光你们”
“给我闭嘴”
杰夫瑞 Jeffrey!
杰夫瑞... Jeffrey!Jeffrey!
怎么回事？ - [ Bergman ] What happened?
警局接到报案说有人开枪 - Dispatcher received a call of shots fired in the area.
警员赶到时发现 该名男性已经中枪身亡 Uniforms arrived on the scene, found this white male subject shot to death.
跟帮派有关吗？ - Was it gang related? - There's no indication...
没有任何线索显示 曾遭受攻击或是... 抱歉 - as far as a tag or an advertisement. -[ Phone Ringing ]
喂？ -[ Phone Beeps ] - Yeah.
他们在吓唬我们 用死恐吓我的家人 They're terrorizing us. Death threats. My family, my kids.
什么意思？ Whoa. What are you talking about?
我在信箱发现一颗子弹 - Someone put a bullet in my mailbox.
杰夫，马上打电话 给联邦调查局 -Jeff, call the F.B.I.
他们无法无天 - Right away. - They do this with impunity.
杰夫... -Jeff-- - They get to go home at night.
他们每天可以安稳的回家 他们不花钱就可以恐吓我们 What does it cost these people to do this to us? Nothing!
我的女儿吓哭了 My girls are crying. So fuck them.
去他们的，我要接受访问 - I wanna tape. I'm done-- - I heard you.
好，但我需先安排法律顾问 I gotta arrange for a legal defense first.
你需先出庭作证，先公开 I gotta get you to testify in court, get it on public record.
那就事后你才播出 但我要到纽约接受访问 Then hold it off the air until you got that, but I wanna go to New York,
在纽约出庭，而且马上就去 and I wanna go on the record... right now.
很好，但杰夫... - Good. But,Jeff--
我会打电话给他们 - I'll call them, Lowell.
你曾碰过地面吗？ Did you handle the round, Mr. Wigand?
我想我有 Yes, I'm afraid I did.
我们就无法取得可用纹路 We won't be able to lift usable prints.
你拥有枪枝吗？ Do you own a gun, Mr. Wigand?
枪枝...有 - A gun? Yes.
口径是多少？ - What caliber is your gun?
我的枪口径？ What caliber is my gun?
是，先生，你的手枪口径 Yes, sir. What caliber is your gun?
这干我枪的口径屁事？ What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
你以为是我把子弹放进信箱 You think I put the bullet in the mailbox myself?
我们可以看看吗，华先生？ If we could take a look, Mr. Wigand.
你为何持有枪械？ Why do you keep this gun?
不违法吧？我练习飞靶 I don't think it's unconstitutional yet to own a gun. I'm a target shooter.
这是颗点38子弹 你的枪是点三八吗？ That bullet was for a .38 caliber. Do you own a .38?
对，我有把点三八 在楼下的枪柜里 Yes, I do. A .38 Target Master in my gun safe downstairs.
一把点四五 还有一把点二二，怎样？ A .45 Gold Cup, a .22 target pistol. So what?
你是否长期有精神问题？ Do you have a history of emotional problems, Mr. Wigand?
是，是的 Yeah. Yes, I do.
当有混蛋把子弹放进我家信箱 我的精神当然有问题 Yes, I get extremely emotional when assholes put bullets in my mailbox.
我没说你可以把它带走 I didn't tell you that so you could pick it up and take it away.
杰夫瑞 -Jeffrey!
怎么了？ - What's going on?
我告诉他有人写恐吓邮件来 I told them you had an e-mail death threat that told you... if you didn't shut the '' F'' up, they were gonna kill you.
你不能带走，那是私人财产 You can't take that. It's personal property. My personal correspondence,
我的私人档案全在里面 还有我的遗嘱 - letters to my brother, my will. - [ Engine Starting ]
你还好吗？ You all right?
那电脑里有所有的... That computer has every single--
你还好吗，华先生？ [ Agent ] You all right, Mr. Wigand?
我们需要看看你的枪柜 We need to take a look at your gun safe, Mr. Wigand.
我要说的是... I'm telling you... your agents in that office are acting improperly.
你的探员行为不当 他们保护的到底是谁？ Now who are they trying to protect?
我告诉你，罗威 你说的是地方办公室的探员 Let me ,tell you something, Lowell. Look, look. You're talking about two agents in a regional office in Louisville.
我正处理洛城包裹炸弹事件 I got the goddamned Unabomber threatening to blow up L.A.X.
需要派四十五名探员前往洛城 I gotta move 45 agents from all over the country into L.A.
有空我会查查看的 All right? When I get a chance, I'll give it a look.
你最好仔细查，因为... [ Bergman ] You better take a good look because I'm getting two things:
我感到很不爽，也很好奇 pissed off and curious!
这些家伙有退休后 当保全人员的计划吗？ Now, any of these guys been offered jobs in corporate security after they retire?
是否有以前的同事牵扯进来 Either one of those guys got ex-agent pals already in those jobs?
或之前的长官在烟草公司工作 Like, for instance, their ex-supervisor who's already at Brown & Williamson... as we fuckin' speak!
我会查清楚 - I'll give it a look.
听懂我的话吗？ - You're getting my drift?
我会查一查 I'll give it a look.
一切还好吗？ [ Bergman ] So is everything okay?
房间还满意吗？ 是的，非常满意 - How are the rooms? Comfortable? - Yes, very.
我非常欣赏你的工作 Do you know, I enjoy your work so much.
当你访问某人 就像是我也在现场 When you're talkin' to somebody, I always feel like I'm right there.
谢谢你的赞美 [ Chuckling ] Thank you for saying that.
我们来谈谈拍摄准备工作 Do you think we could talk about the taping?
明天的拍摄 Tomorrow's taping?
谈完后就可以点菜 Just so we can get it out of the way and order.
明天先谈你当初的工作 你被开除的原因... Yeah, well, questions will go towards what work you did there, why you were fired and other--
拍摄？ Taping?
你要拍摄什么？ - What are you taping?
我要接受访问 - I'm doin' an interview.
访问？ An interview?
你知道他们会怎么对付我们 我还以为... Do you know what they will do to us? I thought we--
抱歉 I'm sorry.
莲恩，这只是最初步的... Liane, this is a preliminary--
你没告诉她访问的事？ You didn't tell her we were taping?
那她以为来纽约做什么？ What did she think she was coming to New York for?
来谈谈而已 Talk about it, think about it. I had a plan to, uh, ease her into it,
本来有打算说服她 但是不知如何开口 but I really-- I don't know how to do that.
老天 Oh, man.
这些到底是些什么人？ Who are these people?
承受极大压力的普通人... Ordinary people under extraordinary pressure, Mike.
你还指望他们保持 高雅的形象吗？ What the hell you expect, grace and consistency?
现场准备，倒数 [ Crew Chattering ]
五、四、三、二... [ Stage Manager ] Five, four, three, two--
你听见山达福先生在国会说 [ Wallace ] You heard Mr. Sandefur say...
他相信尼古丁不会上瘾 before Congress that he believed nicotine was not addictive.
我相信山达福先生自欺欺人 因为我仔细看过作证画面 I believe Mr. Sandefur perjured himself... because I watched those testimonies very carefully.
我们都仔细看过 那一堆大老板都发过誓 [ Wallace ] All of us did. I mean, there was this whole line of people, whole line of C.E.O. 's up there swearing.
我今天出现在这是因为... Part of the reason I'm here is that I felt...
他们的说辞是错误的引导 that their representation clearly misstated--
至少布朗威廉的说辞 与公司内部知道的事实相反 at least within Brown & Williamson's representation-- clearly misstated what is common language within the company.
我们在做贩售尼古丁的行为 We are in the nicotine delivery business.
你指的是香烟吗？ And that's what cigarettes are for.
香烟是尼古丁的媒介 Delivery device for nicotine.
尼古丁的媒介，放进嘴里 A delivery device for nicotine.
点燃它，你就能尽情享受 Put it in your mouth, light it up and you're going to get your fix.
你就能尽情享受 - You're gonna get your fix.
你是说，布朗威廉... - You're saying that Brown & Williamson...
不靠增加尼古丁 manipulates and adjusts the nicotine fix ...
而靠阿摩尼亚类的化学物品 加强尼古丁的的效能？ not by artificially adding nicotine, but by enhancing the effect of nicotine... through the use of chemical elements such as ammonia.
这种过程称做强化效用 The process is known as impact boosting.
在不增加尼古丁情况下 他们很巧妙地控制它 While not spiking nicotine, they clearly manipulate it.
利用大量化学药品阿摩尼亚 There is extensive use of this technology, known as ammonia chemistry.
它可以促进快速吸收尼古丁 It allows for the nicotine to be more rapidly absorbed in the lung...
进而影响大脑和中枢神经 and therefore affect the brain and central nervous system.
最后让我惹上麻烦的 是一种化合物叫作香豆素 The straw that broke the camel's back for me and really put me in trouble with Sandefur... was a compound called coumarin.
我到布朗时他们曾企图 换掉香豆素 When I came on board at B&W, they had tried to transition from coumarin to a similar flavor...
用一种类似的味道取代它 而且非常成功 that would give the same taste and had been unsuccessful.
我马上要求他们去除 I wanted it out immediately. I was told...
但他们却叫我管好自己就好 如此会影响销售 that it would effect sales, so I should mind my own business.
我递了资料给山达福先生 表示身为科学家，我不能 I constructed a memo to Mr. Sandefur indicating I could not in conscience... continue with coumarin in a product that we now knew--
眼看着我们使用资料显示 可能会引起肺癌的物质 we had documentation-- was similar to coumadin, a lung-specific carcinogen.
你递过资料给山达福先生？ And you sent the document forward to Sandefur?
是的，我递过资料给山达福先生 I sent the document forward to Sandefur.
我被告知 我们会继续找可替代物质 I was told that we would continue to work on a substitute.
但我们现在不能去除它 因为会影响销售数字 We weren't going to remove it as it would impact sales
而这是山达福先生的决定 and that that was his decision.
你现在是指控 山达福先生及布朗威廉公司 [ Wallace ] In other words, you are charging Sandefur... and Brown & Williamson...
公然藐视公共卫生安全？ with ignoring health considerations consciously?
大致上是如此 - Most certainly.
在三月二十四日山达福先生 - And on March 2 4,
身为布朗威廉公司总裁 Thomas Sandefur, C.E.O. of Brown & Williamson,
开除了你 had you fired.
而他的理由是？ And the reason he gave you?
欠缺沟通技巧 Poor communication skills.
你会后悔公开真相吗？ And you wish you hadn't come forward?
会后悔没能扒到粪？ You wish you hadn't blown the whistle?
有时候我希望我没站出来 Yeah, there are times I wish I hadn't done it.
有时却又感到有这个义务 There are times I feel com-- compelled to do it.
如果你问我 If you'd asked me...
会不会再这么做、值不值得 would I do it again, do I think it's worth it?
我认为值得 Yeah, I think it's worth it.
嗨 - Hi.
嗨 - [ Students ] Hi.
我是华杰夫 My name is Jeff Wigand.
你们可以称呼我华先生 或是华博士 You can call me, uh, Mr. Wigand. You can call me Dr. Wigand.
我是生化学及内分泌学博士 I have a Ph.D. in biochemistry and endocrinology.
可以叫我杰夫 You can call meJeff.
其他称号就留到下课后吧 Anything else you want to call me, you'll have to do so in private.
好吧 - [ Laughter] - Um, okay.
我觉得化学非常神奇、刺激 Ifind chemistry to be magical. Ifind it an adventure.
探索构成宇宙的基本元素 An exploration into the building blocks of our physical universe.
有几个同学上过化学课？ So how many of you have taken chemistry before?
我也是第一次教，没问题 Okay. I've never taught it before, so we're gonna be fine.
第一个实验量丁烷分子重量 Our first experiment is gonna be measuring... the molecular weight of butane.
他在三线上 He's on line three.
哈罗 - Hello?
施先生，我是华杰夫 - Mr. Scruggs? Jeff Wigand.
博罗威让我打电话来 Lowell Bergman said I should give you a call.
我的律师同事和我正代表 密西西比政府控告烟草工业 My co-counsel, Ron Motley and I, have filed a lawsuit against the tobacco industry on behalf of the state of Mississippi...
赔偿因香烟而生病者医疗费 to get the state reimbursed Medicaid costs... for treatin' people with smoking-related illness.
如果你肯，我们很乐意谈谈 If you'd be interested in talkin' to us, we'd certainly like to talk to you.
何时见面？ When should we do this?
你到底是谁？到我家干么？ Who the hell are you? What are you doing in my house?
没关系，杰夫 华先生，你该跟他谈 - It's okay,Jeff. It's okay. - Mr. Wigand, you need to speak to--
你现在有自己的保全 You've got your own security now.
罗威，我负担不起 You know, Lowell, I can't-- I can't afford to--
不，他们是自愿的 No, they volunteered.
有朋友开保全公司 A friend owns a large security company.
华先生，我是戴约翰 How're you doing, Mr. Wigand? I'm John Telafarro.
我们一共有三人轮替 There'll be three of us on the detail.
我上街去 I'm going to the store.
你给女儿们介绍新客人吧 Please explain our new houseguests to your children.
- Mrs. Wigand's leaving the house. - [ Door Opens, Closes ]
跟密西西比的施理查通过话 Uh, I called Richard Scruggs in Mississippi.
听说了 - I heard.
我会成为他们案子的证人 - I'm gonna be a witness for them in their litigation.
要飞去做宣誓证辞 So I'm gonna fly to Pascagoula, give a deposition.
我知道，我也会到 I know. I'm gonna go there tonight.
你还好吗？ [ Wigand ] You all right?
今天可好？ - Did you have a good day?
今天很好 - Yes, I did. I had a great day.
罗威，要咖啡？ - Uh, coffee, Lowell?
好 - Yeah, all right.
还要继续刚才的游戏吗？ 好 Wanna play that game we were playing before?
我记得你得五分 我还领先，所以... You know, I think you got it up to five. I was ahead of you, and then you just--
请别在水槽里洗手 -[ Water Running ] - Please don't wash your hands in the sink.
该在哪洗？ Where should I wash them?
去浴室 Use the bathroom.
有什么不同？ What's the difference?
这里是洗食物用的 That's for food.
别关，不要关好吗？ Leave it on. Just leave it on! Okay?
我觉得无法继续下去 I don't think I can do this.
我想支持我先生 I want to stand by my husband.
是真的，杰夫瑞，但是... I really do,Jeffrey, but...
我无法继续下去 I don't think I can do this anymore.
我很抱歉 I am so sorry.
我们可以回来后再谈吗？ Can we talk about this when I get back?
可以，杰夫瑞 Yes,Jeffrey.
没事，没事 - [ Telafarro ] It's okay. - [ Man On P.A.:Indistinct ]
杰夫 Jeff!
你被传唤出庭 You've been served.
这是一张暂时性的禁制令 Now, what this one is is a temporary restraining order,
言论禁止令由肯德基州开出 a gag order, issued by a Kentucky court.
华杰夫博士，墨麦可 Jeff Wigand, Michael Moore.
很高兴见到你 Good to meet you, Dr. Wigand.
麦可是这里的总检察官 Mike's our attorney general down here.
他们发了张言论禁止令 I was just explaining toJeff they got a Kentucky court...
企图阻止他作证 to issue a gag order to stop his deposition today.
没错 - Right. - Now,
他们试过要密西西比法庭遵从 they tried to get the Mississippi court to honor it,
但被法官拒绝 but the judge threw it out.
不过对你会有些危害 However, for you, there is a more perilous effect of the gag order.
华博士 你清楚会发生什么事吧？ Dr. Wigand, you do understand what can happen, don't you?
我将无法在这里作证 I'm not free to testify... here.
没错 That's right. If you violate the Kentucky order,
如果你违反肯州命令 当你回到该州时 when you step foot back in Kentucky...
他们可以判你藐视法庭 进而监禁你 they can find you in contempt and they can incarcerate you.
你该知道 And you ought to know that.
坐牢吗？ -Jail. - Possibly, yes.
很有可能 会是你今天出庭的后果之一 That is one of the possible consequences of your testifying here today. That's right.
我怎么能坐牢？ How does-- How does one go to jail?
我的家人如何维生？ Wh-What does my family do?
靠救济金吗？ Go on welfare?
如果我太太得工作 谁来照顾我的孩子？ If my wife has to work, who's gonna look after the kids?
谁来准备食物？ 我的孩子需要我 Put food on the table? I mean, my children need me.
不教书，就没了健保给付 If I'm not teaching, there's no medical.
医疗费用非常庞大 No medical, even on co-pay, that's like-- Tuition--
华博士，你可以不这么做 Dr. Wigand, listen. You may not be able to do this thing.
迪克说你是关键证人 As I understand from Dick, you're our key witness,
但如果你拒绝出庭 and I hope you don't withdraw.
我们可以理解 Um, I guess we'd all understand if you did.
我得走了，出庭快迟到了 Guys, I gotta go. I'm gonna be late for court.
待会见 祝好运，华博士 I'll see y'all later. Dr. Wigand, good luck.
我知道你面对的难题，杰夫 I know what you're facing, Jeff.
我明白你的感受 And I think I know how you're feeling.
在海军时我飞运输机 In the navy, I flew A-6's off carriers.
交战时，只有数秒 或数分钟时间 In combat, events have a duration of seconds. Sometimes minutes.
但你可是日复一日 月复一月的煎熬 But what you're going through goes on day in, day out,
无论你准备好没 whether you're ready for it or not.
日以继夜，永无宁日 Week in, week out. Month after month after month.
无论你喜不喜欢 Whether you're up or whether you're down.
心理上、经济上备受攻击 You're assaulted psychologically. You're assaulted financially,
这是种特殊的暴力 which is its own special kind of violence
因为它向着你的孩子而来 because it's directed at your kids.
你负担得起哪种学校？ What school can you afford?
对他们将来有什么影响？ How will that affect their lives?
你会自问 You're asking yourself,
对他们将来会是种阻碍吗？ 他们会受什么影响？ ''Will that limit what they may become?''
家人的将来受到迫害 生命受到威胁 You feel your whole family's future is compromised, held hostage.
我知道那种感觉 I do know how it is.
你吸引了不少人 You attract a crowd.
是啊！太好了 Yeah. Great.
我听说肯州禁制令的事 I heard about the Kentucky gag order.
我不知该怎么做 I don't know what to do.
等等 Hold on a second.
问墨先生他的证人会出席吗？ Would you please ask Mr. Motley if he expects his witness to appear or not?
我找不到下决定的准则 I can't seem to find the criteria to decide.
我现在思绪太乱无法下决定 It's too big a decision to make without being resolved in my own mind.
也许事情有所不同 Maybe things have changed.
有什么不同？ A lot's changed.
你问从今天早上起吗？ You mean since this morning?
不，我是问到底有什么不同 No, I mean since whenever.
去它的 Fuck it.
我们出庭吧 Let's go to court.
华博士要离开了 [ Scruggs ] Dr. Wigand would like to leave now.
杰夫，我们会尽快开始 Okay,Jeff. I'm gonna sit you down at that table over there.
他们才不会又申请一张禁令 I want to start as fast as possible. I don't want to give them a chance to get another restraining order. Okay?
开始吧 祝好运，博士 - Let's go. - Good luck, Doc.
请起立，举起右手 Please stand. Raise your right hand.
你宣誓所言句句属实吗？ Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
是的 -[ Wigand ] I do.
请坐 -[ Stenographer ] You may be seated.
你明白你发过誓 You understand, Dr. Wigand, you are under oath?
这是一场宣誓作证 This is a sworn deposition.
没有法官，不是审判 There's no judge. It's not a trial.
说出你的姓名作为纪录 Will you state your name for the record?
华侨的华，杰出的杰 夫妇的夫 Jeffrey S. Wigand. R-E-Y. W-I-G-A-N-D.
里面到底进行的如何？ Got any idea what's going on in there?
不知道，猜不到 No, I don't have a clue.
没错 - That is correct.
所以它有药效 - In other words, it acts as a drug,
抗议 - Object to the form of the question. - It acts as a drug--
它有药效？ 抗议 - Object to the form-- - It acts as a drug--
它有药效？ 抗议 - Object! - Is there an echo in here?
这里有回音吗？ 你的抗议已列入记录 Your objection's been recorded.
记录小姐已经打过字了 She typed it into her little machine over there. It's on the record.
我可以跟证人进行下去吗？ So now I'll proceed with my deposition of my witness.
它是否... 华博士 - Does it act as a drug? - Dr. Wigand!
我命令你不要回答这个问题 I am instructing you... not to answer that question.
别忘了合约义务，你签署过的 In accordance to the terms of the contractual obligations... undertaken by you...
决不透露在布朗威廉工作时 相关的资料 not to disclose any information... about your work at the Brown & Williamson Tobacco Company.
根据合约以及肯德基州开出 暂时禁制令 And in accordance with the force and effect... of the temporary restraining order... that has been entered against you... by the court in the state of Kentucky.
意思是你可以闭嘴 That means you don't talk.
我们有权利 Mr. Motley, we have rights here.
你有右边 Oh, you've got rights.
还有左边，上面、下面、中间 And lefts. Ups and downs and middles.
又如何？ So what?
你别想在这里下任何命令 You don't get to instruct anything around here!
这里不是北卡、南卡或肯州 This is not North Carolina, not South Carolina, nor Kentucky.
这里是密西西比州，不要窃笑 This is the sovereign state of Mississippi's proceeding. Wipe that smirk off your face!
华博士的证词可是呈堂证供 Dr. Wigand's deposition will be part of this record!
而我就要他的证词 管你高不高兴 And I'm gonna take my witness' testimony whether the hell you like it or not!
回答问题吧，博士 Answer the question, Doctor.
是的，它会引发生物理反应 Yes. It produces a physiological response,
这符合医药的定义 which meets the definition of a drug.
尼古丁会带来快感、满足感 Um, nicotine is associated with... impact, satisfaction.
它的药效会从血液进入大脑 It has a pharmacological effect that crosses the blood-brain barrier intact.
谢谢你，博士 [ Motley ] Thank you, Doctor. Thank you.
我今天出现的原因之一 是因他们的说法... One of the reasons I'm here is that I felt... that their representation clearly--
接山达福说不会上瘾片段 Run that Sandefur piece on ''nicotine's not addictive.''
再接华杰夫说相信他们说谎 Run that on camera, then cut right to Wigand with ''I believe they perjured--''
再接总裁们发誓的段落 Then go wide to the C.E.O.s all taking the oath.
再回到杰夫 Then back on Jeff...
接卷，他沉默的画面 and play the pause after the word ''felt'' on the B-side.
大新闻，麦克 Hell of a show, Mike.
爆炸性议题 Explosive material.
密西西比非常顺利 - It went great in Mississippi, Mike.
很好 - Good.
听说他的证词被封锁 -I heard Wigand's deposition got sealed. -Yeah.
他们说他会泄露出香烟配方 They argued that he was going to reveal the secret formula of Kools to the world.
封锁伤不了施理查的案子 [ Bergman ] Sealed doesn't hurt Scruggs'litigation,
既然我们是唯一有内容 那我们就是独家 and since we're the only ones with the story, I believe we're sitting on an exclusive.
我喜欢 - I like that. - [ Hewitt ] Corporate has some questions.
总公司有些问题 我们明天在总部开会 We've got a meeting at "Black Rock" first thing in the morning.
何时播出？ - When's the air date?
罗威，雪伦在三线 - Lowell, Sharon's on line three.
我十分钟内回电 - Tell her I'll call her back in ten.
我们走吧 - [ Editor ] Here we go.
他们早知道尼古丁会上瘾 [ Wallace On TV] That they had long known that the nicotine in tobacco...
却还公开声明说不会 is an addictive drug despite their public statements to the contrary.
华博士的前老板 Like the testimony before Congress of Dr. Wigand's former boss,
布朗威廉公司总裁山达福 就曾作证说 Brown & Williamson's chief executive officer, Thomas Sandefur.
我相信尼古丁不会上瘾 I believe that nicotine is not addictive.
我相信山达福自欺欺人 I believe Mr. Sandefur perjured himself...
我仔细听过这些证词 because I watched those testimonies very carefully.
我们都仔细听过 [ Wallace ] All of us did. There was this whole line of people,
这一排的大老板都发过誓 whole line of C.E.O.'s up there all swearing.
我今天出现在这是因为 [ Wigand ] Part of the reason I'm here is that I felt...
他们的说辞是错误的引导 that their representation clearly misstated...
与公司内部知道的事实相反 what is common language within the company.
我们在做贩售尼古丁的生意 We are in the nicotine delivery business.
利用大量化学药品阿摩尼亚 There is extensive use of this technology, known as ammonia chemistry.
它可以促进快速吸收尼古丁 It allows for the nicotine to be more rapidly absorbed in the lung...
进而影响大脑和中枢神经 and therefore affect the brain and central nervous system.
这就是香烟的功效 - [ Wallace ] That's what cigarettes are for.
香烟是尼古丁的媒介 - Delivery device for nicotine.
是尼古丁的媒介 [ Wallace ] A delivery device for nicotine.
放进嘴里，点燃它 Put it in your mouth,
你就能尽情享受 light it up and you're going to get your fix.
你就能尽情享受 You're going to get your fix.
“路意斯维”
要来点咖啡吗？ 不好意思我迟到了 - Shall I send for coffee? Sorry I'm late.
不用，我们很好 - [ Wallace ] No, we're fine.
确定吗？ - Are you sure? - [ Bergman ] Yeah.
好吧，我们今天见面... All right. I thought we'd get together...
因为有个法务问题引起注意 because there's a legal concept... that has been getting some new attention recently.
非法干预 Tortious interference.
假设某双方签有保密条款 If two people have an agreement, like a confidentiality agreement,
一方在第三者的怂恿下毁约 and one of them breaks it because they are induced to do so by a third party,
第三者会被告非法干预 the third party can be sued for damages for interfering.
要赔偿，这就是非法干预 Hence, tortious interference.
干预？我们就是得干预别人 ''Interfering''? That's what we do.
我是说，这时常发生嘛 I think what we're trying to tell you is that it happens all the time.
我们是新闻媒体 人们会告诉我们秘密 This is a news organization. People are always telling us things they shouldn't.
我们经由确认决定是否属实 属实的话，我们就公开播出 We have to verify if it's true and in the public interest. And if it is, we air it.
当然是查证之后 所以我们没输过官司 And after we corroborate it. That's why we've never lost a lawsuit and run a classy show.
还能维持节目品质 还有别的问题吗？ “六十分钟” 这节目 确认的功夫很仔细 - Anything else? - And 60 Minutes' verification is exact and precise.
但我认为你最好再确认一遍 And I don't think it would hurt to make sure you're right on this one.
怎么了？我们有法律问题吗？ [ Hewitt ] Why? You think we have liability?
扮演什么角色？ What's the CBS News position, Eric?
我们是极不可能 There's a possibility. It's rather remote.
可是仍必须确认这件事 But one we have to check on, Mike.
已经请外面律师去做 I've retained outside counsel to do exactly that...
目前，问题已经层出不穷 on a segment, I might add, that's already rife with problems.
什么意思？ What does that mean? '' Rife with--''
听说我们有承诺华杰夫些东西 I'm told unusual promises were made to Wigand.
只有新闻内幕 No, only that we would hold his story until it was safe for him.
还听说他的可信度有问题 And I'm told there are questions as to our star witness' veracity.
这对密西西比州法庭不是问题 His ''veracity'' was good enough for the state of Mississippi.
我们的标准得比任何人高 Our standards have to be higher than anyone else's,
因为我们是别人的圭臬 because we are the standard for everybody else.
提到圭臬，我只信是否属实 Well, as a ''standard,'' I'll hang with ''is this guy telling the truth?''
提到非法干预，只怕 Well, with tortious interference, I'm afraid...
越多实话会带来越大伤害 the greater the truth, the greater the damage.
可以再说一次？ - Come again? - They own...
他们对他揭露的事有所有权 the information he's disclosing.
越多实话对他们伤害越大 The truer it is, the greater the damage to them.
假设他说谎 便没有揭露任何事伤害也小 If he lied, he didn't disclose their information, and the damages are smaller.
这演的是爱丽斯梦游仙境吗？ - Is this Alice in Wonderland? - You said ''on this one.''
你说这事，什么是这事？ What about this one?
对华杰夫的控诉是否属实 极可能不属实 If this holds up-- And it very well may not, Mike.
但如果属实，而我们播出 But if it did and we aired this segment,
CBS会挨布朗威廉告 and CBS was sued by Brown & Williamson,
我们就是在冒大危险 I think we could be at grave risk.
什么大危险？ - How grave? - Well, at the end of the day,
最后因为你们的新闻 because of your segment,
布朗威廉可能并吞CBS the Brown & Williamson Tobacco Company... could own CBS.
抱歉，我该上楼了 - [ Beeping ] - Oh. You know, I am sorry, but I'm due upstairs.
CBS管理阶层告诉我们 Is CBS Corporate telling CBS News...
不该播出这则新闻是吗？ '' Do not go to air with this story''?
你在臆测未发生的事 You're getting ahead of yourself. We're all in this together.
我们CBS是一家人 我们很快可以得知 We're all CBS. We'll find out soon.
谢谢各位 Thank you, gentlemen.
非法干预，听起来像种传染病 ''Tortious interference.'' That sounds like a disease caught by a radio.
吃饭吧？ 好啊！ -[ Hewitt ] Lunch? - Sure.
别担心，我们有发球权 Don't worry. We call the shots around here.
哈罗？ - [ Ringing ] - Hello?
黛比，是我 Debbie, it's me.
我要贝尔史坦威约翰的电话 I want you to check some filings, and give meJohn Wilson's number at Bear-Stearn.
现在怎么办？ - [ Bergman ] What now?
柯先生在路上 - Kluster's coming over.
哈罗，罗威，麦克，唐 [ Man ] Hello, Lowell, Mike. -[ Door Closes ] - Don.
对华先生的可信度 做了深度调查 There has been so much soul searching about this Wigand.
我决定我们重剪一个 没有他专访的版本 I've decided we should cut an alternate version of the show without his interview.
卡小姐说找外人调查 进行的如何呢？全是废话 So what happened to Ms. Caperelli's checking with outside counsel first?
在进行中 - All that crap? - That's happening.
希望不会用到，但该先做准备 Hopefully, we won't have to use the alternate, but we should have it in the can.
我不会动 - I'm not touching my film.
你会 - I'm afraid you are.
不，我不会 - No, I'm not.
不管你会不会都得做 - We're doing this with or without you, Lowell.
如果你愿意 我可以指派别的制作人来剪 If you like, I can assign another producer to edit your show.
何时开始高层准许 Since when has the, uh, paragon of investigative journalism...
律师也可以决定 “六十分钟” 的新闻内容 allowed lawyers to determine the news content on 60 Minutes?
只是剪个备用版 [ Hewitt ] It's an alternate version.
多个备用版无伤大雅 So what if we have an alternate version?
她的顾虑不是没有根据 And I don't think our being cautious is so damned unreasonable.
对不起，各位 So now, if you will excuse me, gentlemen,
我们主播又在抱怨他的座椅了 Mr. Rather's been complaining about his chair again.
你走之前 Before you go,
我发现这个 I discovered this.
一份证管会文件 S.E.C. filing for the sale
CBS要出卖给西屋？ of CBS Corporation to Westinghouse Corporation.
什么？ - What?
我也曾听说过谣言 这不是谣言 - Yeah, I heard rumors. It's not a rumor. It's a sale. IfTisch can unload CBS...
若总裁出价 每股八十一元给西屋 for $81 a share to Westinghouse,
而我们突然面临布朗威廉控告 数百万赔偿的官司 and then is suddenly threatened... with a multi-billion dollar lawsuit from Brown & Williamson,
就会搞砸这件交易 that could screw up the sale, could it not?
你在暗示什么？ -[ Kluster ] What are you implying?
我不是暗示，是有根据 - I'm not implying. I'm quoting.
这会与某些人利害冲突 Uh, '' More vested interests. Persons who will profit from this merger.
卡小姐首席律师三百九十万 '' Ms. Helen Caperelli, general counsel of CBS News, 3.9 million.
凯先生新闻总裁一百四十万 '' Mr. Eric Kluster, president of CBS News, 1 .4 million.''
你是说他们是因为利欲熏心 [ Hewitt ] Are you suggesting that she and Eric are influenced by money?
当然不是，他们全是志工 No, no, of course they're not influenced by money. They work for free.
连你也是自愿出任制作人 And you are a volunteer executive producer.
CBS不会这么做 CBS does not do that.
你这是质疑我们的新闻素养 And you're questioning our journalistic integrity.
我是质疑你的听力 No, I'm questioning your hearing.
你听到非法干预了吗？ You hear ''reasonable'' and ''tortious interference.''
我听到的是可预期的官司 I hear ''potential Brown & Williamson lawsuit...
会影响CBS西屋的并购案 jeopardizing the sale of CBS to Westinghouse.''
我听到放弃新闻，抛弃华杰夫 I hear ''Shut the segment down. Cut Wigand loose.
要听话，放手 Obey orders and fuck off.'' That's what I hear.
你夸大了 是吗？ -[ Hewitt ] You're exaggerating. - I am?
我领薪水 You pay me
去找像华杰夫这种人 to go get guys like Wigand,
请他出面 to draw him out,
相信我们、上节目 to get him to trust us, to get him to go on television.
我做到了 I do.
他上了节目说了话 I deliver him. He sits. He talks.
他还违反保密条款 He violates his own fucking confidentiality agreement.
他是美国史上 最大宗公共卫生案件 And he's only the key witness in the biggest public health reform issue,
最昂贵赔偿金案件的关键证人 maybe the biggest, most expensive... corporate malfeasance case in U.S. history.
华杰夫冒着生命危险上电视 And Jeffrey Wigand, who's out on a limb,
他说实话了吗？是的 does he go on television and tell the truth?
有新闻价值吗？有 Yes. Is it newsworthy?
我们要播出吗？当然不行 Yes. Are we gonna air it? Of course not. Why?
为何，是因为他说谎吗？ 不是 Because he's not telling the truth? No.
正因为他说的是实话 Because he is telling the truth. That's why we're not gonna air it.
没错，他说实话越多麻烦越大 And the more truth he tells, the worse it gets.
你真的无法无天，知道吗？ [ Hewitt ] You are a fanatic, an anarchist. You know that?
我宁可保留半则新闻 强过没新闻 If we can't have a whole show, then I want half a show rather than no show.
你却宁让公司冒险也不肯罢手 But, oh, no. Not you. You won't be satisfied unless you're putting the company at risk!
拜托，你是生意人还是新闻人 What are you? Are you a businessman or are you a newsman?
我跟麦克还有些人可是新闻人 Because that happens to be what Mike and I... and some other people around here do for a living.
罗威 让公司冒险？饶过我吧 - Lowell-- - Put the corporation at risk? Give me a fucking break!
这些人才真让我们冒生命危险 罗威！ These people are putting our whole reason... - for doing what we do on the line! - Lowell!
什么？ What?
这次我站在唐这边 I'm with Don on this.
怎么了？ What's wrong?
他们扼杀了华杰夫的段落 They're killing the Wigand interview.
什么？ - What?
他们说还在研究中 狗屎，根本就没了 - They're pretending it's process. That's bullshit. It's foregone.
你跟麦克怎么办？ What are you and Mike gonna do?
我这次是孤军奋战 I'm alone on this.
宝贝 - Oh, baby. - Yeah.
是华杰夫打来的 It's Jeffrey Wigand.
杰夫 Jeffrey. How are you?
你好吗？家人都还好吗？ How's the family? Okay?
没有所谓的家人了 -There is-- There is no family.
什么意思？ -What do you mean, ''there is no family''?
莲恩诉请离婚 Uh, Liane has filed for divorce.
我搬出来 每星期几天可以看看女儿 And, so, I've moved out. I see the girls a couple of days a week.
你现在住哪？ -Where are you staying now?
我们最爱的旅馆，亲爱的 -Our favorite hotel, honey. [ Snickers ]
我住九三零号房 I checked into room 930.
奇怪的选择吧？ Odd choice, huh?
我不知道该怎么说 I don't know how to say this,
就直说了吧 Jeff, except to just say it right out.
我要说了 他们决定不播出你的访问 So, uh, I'll say it. They do not want to air it.
什么？ - What?
布朗威胁法务部门 - B&W may have threatened litigation.
CBS正准备出售 CBS is on the block.
但我了解你... - But you, I mean-- I know how you--
不 - No.
不什么？ No, what?
我不认为你了解我的感受 I do not think that you know for me what it is to walk in my shoes.
我的孩子必须看到访问 For my kids to have seen it,
才能了解我的所作所为 for them to know why I've put them through what I did.
我所作为何的证词 如今永无公诸于世的一天 The public airing of that, the testament to why I did what I did. You're telling me it's not gonna see the light of day?
杰夫 Jeff.
华太太吗？ Mrs. Wigand?
早就没有华太太了 It hasn't been Mrs. Wigand for some time.
我是个私家侦探 I'm an investigator,
可以问你一些问题吗？ and I was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions about that.
结婚七个月后 Um, seven months after we were married,
我们发现我患有硬化症 we found out that I had multiple sclerosis.
而你们有个女儿，黛安 [ Man ] And you had a daughter, Diane--
山达福说他绝不会让布朗威廉 [ Man #2 ] Tommy Sandefur told me himself.
被当成公共罪人 He's not going to allow Brown & Williamson to be demonized to the American public.
我告诉彼得詹宁斯，等等 So I told PeterJennings. And I-- Hold on.
你身体硬化症，还要养个小孩 [ Man On TV] You had multiple sclerosis. You had a small child to raise.
记得做结论时以及各段都要提 Uh, mention that part in the executive summary and in the chapters.
第一任太太和被抛弃女儿 First wife and estrangement of daughter.
我告诉彼得说他被骗了 So I was telling Pete, I said, ''You've been taken in by this guy.''
你要知道我们双方都想离婚 The divorce was something that we both wanted.
他是个扒手 He's a shoplifter.
他被抓过 He's a convicted shoplifter.
你现在要怎么办？ So, um, what are you gonna do?
你说呢？ What do you think I'm gonna do? Quit in protest?
我难道要离职抗议吗？ 才不呢 I'm not gonna do that.
你愿意妥协了吗？ You're taking ''no'' for an answer?
不，我不会妥协 No, I'm not gonna take ''no'' for an answer. No.
不会吗？那你要怎么办？ You're not? What are you doing?
留下来，做我的事 I'm staying right here, doing my job.
继续抗争到底 Fighting to get my show on the air.
有人不喜欢，开除我啊 You don't like it? Hey, I tell you what? Fire my ass.
跟罗威这位第一修正案的烈士 来场轰轰烈烈的官司 End up in a high-profile lawsuit with Lowell, the First Amendment martyr?
我可不想，看看这个 I don't think so. Take a look at this.
这是一份档案的摘要 This is a summary of a dossier that's being prepared.
他没对他的过去说实话 He wouldn't lie about his whole life.
谁还会相信他说的话？ Who's gonna believe him about anything he says?
华尔街日报在做追踪报导 The Wall StreetJournal is doing a major story, and,
也许华盛顿邮报也在做 I think, the Post.
你押错宝了 You backed the wrong horse.
下个星期我们就播重剪版 The version without the interview is gonna air the week after next.
他来干么？ What was that about?
帮我打电话给华杰夫 - Get me Wigand.
没问题 - Sure.
你在搞什么？ What the fuck is this?
去你的 Fuck!
你没说过结过婚 你有个女儿 [ Bergman ] You never told me you were married before. - That you had a daughter. - How is that any of your business?
关你什么事？你们不需要知道 That is not something that you people need to know.
你怎知我们需不需要知道 Oh, you know what we do or do not need to know? - Since when have you become a media expert? - What do you wanna do, Lowell?
你也要调查我的底细 - Look up my ass too? - Oh, for God's sake.
天啊 你根本不管事了，还关心什么 - You're not even on this anymore. What do you care? -Jeff, wake the fuck up!
醒醒吧！大家都是在冒险 Everybody is on the line here. If they catch you in a lie,
如果他们捉到一个小把柄 他们就会夸大渲染 they can paint everything with that brush, you understand?
你说过的每件事都可成为题材 - Everything you say.
我说的是事实 - I told the truth.
你说过的都可以 而如此一来，我无法替你辩护 Everything you say. And I can't defend you, man, with one hand tied behind my back...
因为你没对我诚实 because you keep from me what they can discover.
他们会挖出所有的一切 相信我 And they will discover everything. Believe me.
我当时还年轻 I was young!
我还年轻 I was young!
无知，我们没能协调好 Confused. We didn't handle it the right way.
她要孩子监护权？ - She sued you for back payments of child support? - She did not sue me.
不，我们有些金钱纠纷 We had a dispute over money.
我愿意和解，她撤销告诉 I settled it. She dropped the complaint.
还有问题吗？ - Any other questions? - Yes. Did you lie...
参加过奥运柔道赛吗？ about being on the American judo team in the Olympics?
你说什么？ - What? - Some public relations guy...
有人找到一卷带子 got hold of a tape of an interview where you're saying...
你说你参加过奥运柔道 you were on the American judo team in the Olympics.
这是什么狗屁？ What kind of shit is this? I-- I was--
我没参加过 I was not on the team.
我跟奥运队对打过，好吗？ I sparred with the Olympic team.
好吧，电器超市呢？ - Okay? - All right. ABC Telemarketing Company?
电器超市 - ABC-- - ABC Telemarketing Company.
开罐器 三十九块九毛五的开罐器 The can opener! A 39.95 can opener!
我请银行拒付，那根本是垃圾 I cancelled payment. It was junk!
有过未付的帐单吗，罗威？ You ever bounce a check, Lowell?
瞄过别的女人胸部？ You ever look at another woman's tits?
逃过税吗？ You ever cheat a little on your taxes?
哪个人生到放大镜下没缺陷？ Whose life, if you look at it under a microscope, doesn't have any flaws?
这就是他们的用意 Well, that's the whole point,Jeffrey.
他们用意在此 That's the whole point.
每个人生命都有 Anyone's, everyone's. They are gonna look under every rock,
他们会尽力找出你生命的缺陷 你犯过的错 dig up every flaw, every mistake you've ever made.
他们都会夸大歪曲 They are going to distort and exaggerate everything you've ever done, man.
每件你做过的事，懂吗？ 这与我的证词何干？ - Don't you understand? - What does this have to do with my testimony?
不相干？ 这与我的证词何干？ - That's not the point-- - What does it have to do with my testimony?
我说的是事实，是有根据有证明 - I told the truth! It's true and provable! - It's not about--
管你说的是不是事实 That's not the fucking point, whether you told the truth or not!
喂 Hello?
我说的是事实 I told the truth.
我得走了，我还有课 -[ Bell Ringing ] - I gotta teach class. I gotta go.
而我得赶在报纸前 反驳报告里每条控诉 - I gotta teach class. - And I gotta refute every fucking accusation made... in this report before the Wall StreetJournal runs.
我极力想保护你 I am trying to protect you, man.
希望你功夫好一点 I hope you improve your batting average.
“华尔街日报” [ Woman ] They're cutting the interest rate, and I have that great feature--
我有个智利酒厂的报导 - [ Chattering ] -[ Phone Ringing ]
哈罗 - Hello?
是罗威打来 - It's Lowell.
你在报导前烟草公司主管题材 Are you guys planning to do a piece on a former top executive in Big Tobacco?
我正在开会 - You caught me in a news meeting.
有还是没有？ - Are you, are you not, Charlie?
有，我现在不方便说话 You bet we are, and I can't talk to you now.
我们该见个面 - We gotta hook up.
好啊，在哪碰？ - Sure. Where?
酒吧 - P.J.'s.
我会到 - I'll be there.
我手上有五百多页档案 Yeah, I got it. Five hundred pages of it.
他们清查他祖宗八代 They looked in every corner of this guy's life, from the spousal abuse charge,
从家庭暴力事件开始 到偷窃、罚单 to shoplifting, to a traffic ticket he got once for running a red light.
是蓝泰利，私家侦探 It's Terry Lenzner's outfit, I.G.I.
杰克，听着 Jack, listen to me.
打算藉华尔街日报毁了这家伙 Their strategy: discredit this guy, ruin his reputation in the Wall StreetJournal...
再也不会有人相信他说的话 and then nobody will ever listen to what he's got to say about tobacco.
除非我反驳，否则他完蛋了 He's dead unless I can get this thing knocked down.
这让工作充满乐趣 Make it even a little more attractive.
虽然不知道会不会加薪 I don't know if you're ever gonna get paid.
档案里有没有真话？ - Is there any truth to any of it? - That's a good question.
好问题，有吗？我怀疑 ''Is there any truth to any of it?'' I doubt it.
期限是？ - What's the deadline?
尽快 - Soon.
把摘要传真给我 - That's great,Jack.
太好了，杰克 - Fax me the summary.
嗨 你好吗？ - Hey. How are you? Hey, listen. - Hey.
听说你们有些敏感的材料 I hear you guys are sitting on something sensational over there.
有吗？嗨，珍 - Really? Hi,June.
我们走了 嗨，宝贝 - Oh, hi, baby.
待会再聊 - Catch you later. - Okay. Take care.
你的期限是何时？ 星期一 - When's your deadline? - Monday.
往后延 - Push it.
什么？算了吧 - What? Forget it.
这根本是诬陷策略 It's a smear campaign, Charlie.
资料是从筛选过的档案来的 - It's drawn from a selectively circulated-- - Oh, yeah.
是啊，像电话簿找电话一样难 Real selective. About as hard to get ahold of as the Manhattan phone book.
这显然是有出处属名的资料 Well, it's authoritive... and overwhelmingly documented.
根本全是狗屎 And it's bullshit. And if I'm right, are you gonna put...
我想的没错的话 华尔街日报的声誉会毁在一旦 the Journal's reputation behind a story that's gonna blow up in your face?
我会看看你的资料 I'll take a look at what you got
但我不会因你一句话 就更改头条 but I'm not moving any deadlines because you say so.
你还好吗？ Are you all right?
好 Yeah.
慕警官吗？ [ Woman ] Officer Muravchick?
Thank you.
慕警官，你好，我是苏珊卓 你好吗？ Officer Muravchick, how are you? - I'm Sandra Sutherland. - How do you do?
很好，谢谢你 在做背景调查，我可以坐下吗 Fine, thank you. I'm doing a background check. Mind if I sit down?
法官大人 Your Honor,
我可以上前说话吗？ could I have a word with you?
你主持过一次赡养费争议案件 You presided in a dispute over support payments.
华杰夫吗？ Jeffrey Wigand?
我给他录过口供 Yeah, I cited him.
CBS现在备受争议 CBS is under criticism because the CBS News program, 60 Minutes,
因六十分钟节目不播一则访问 will not be presenting an interview--
你在做什么？ What the hell are you doing?
你说呢？剪接啊 What does it look like I'm doing? I'm editing.
我不是说剪接 我指的是美联社 No, no, no that. I'm talking about the Associated Press.
他们知道我们抽掉访问片段 他们找过我和麦克 They got the story that we pulled this interview, and they talked to Mike and I.
你告诉他们我们在说谎吗？ Did you tell them that we were lying?
没有，不过我是该这么做 No! I should have.
我说我跟你意见相左 I told them I disagreed with you,
还有麦克跟凯先生 Mike and Kluster...
还有原来的片段跟这个一样好 that this segment is as good as the original.
我不会替你说谎 I'm not lying for you.
但也不会为你住嘴 I'm not gonna shut up for you.
我什么也不会做 - Not on any of it.
我不会开除你 - Hey, I'm not gonna fire you.
你现在立刻休假 Okay? Take a vacation. Now!
罗威，我决定录星期日预告 Lowell? Look, I've decided to preface Sunday's show.
晚间新闻前，共三分钟 你想看一下吗？ I did three minutes on the Evening News. You'll want to see it.
你去哪儿？ - Where are you going? - I've been banished...
我没被开除，被迫休假 in lieu of being fired.
在我访问里 批评了总裁和高级主管 I took off on Tisch. I took off on Corporate.
他们不会亲自看星期日节目 They'll know they're not, uh, going to see everything on Sunday night.
这样怎么让访问播出？ I don't know. How does that get Wigand on the air?
饶了我吧，面对现实吧 Do me a favor, will you? Spare me. For God's sake, get in the real world.
你以为我会辞职抗议吗？ What do you think?
要求播出访问吗？ I'm going to resign in protest to force it on the air?
别想了 我不想临老沦落到公家电台去 The answer's no. I don't plan to spend the end of my days... wandering in the wilderness of National Public Radio.
这就是我的决定 That decision I've already made.
星期日，华勒斯有段香烟报导 [ Woman On TV] This Sunday, Wallace will broadcast a report...
公开他们不为人知的内幕 on the tobacco industry, including the tough tactics tobacco companies employ...
爆炸性新闻 to keep a lid on information that might be damaging.
是否有观众理应知道 Is there information that people should have...
却因不播出而无法得知的事 that they're not going to have because you're not going to broadcast this interview?
有 - Yes. - Today, CBS News president Eric Kluster...
高层主管考量公司利益 defended the network's decision not to broadcast...
决定不予播出部分访问内容 key portions of the controversial interview.
同时他说情况十分艰巨 Mr. Kluster said, quote, "The atmosphere is tougher than ever. "
剩下的部分呢？ - Where's the rest? - [ Woman On TV] Dan.
我剩下的片段呢？ Where the hell's the rest?
你剪掉了 - [ Dan ] Nebraska football fans voiced their criticism-- - You cut it!
你剪掉最重要部分 Coming up in Bernard Goldberg's America.
是时间考量 - You cut the guts out of what I said!- It was a time consideration--
时间？狗屁，你这个官僚 Time? Bullshit! You corporate lackey.
谁说你够资格剪接我的内容？ Who told you your incompetent little fingers have the requisite skills to edit me?
我尝试着打圆场 你却自作聪明 麦克！ I'm trying to Band-Aid a situation here, and you're too dim--
麦克 Mike. Mike. Mike.
麦克？ '' Mike''?
麦克！ Mike!
麦克是你叫的？ Try '' Mr. Wallace.''
我们是同事 不代表我们的专业领域相同 We work in the same corporation. Doesn't mean we work in the same profession.
现在打算用什么招数对付我？ Now, now what are you going to do now? You going to finesse me?
再用法律条文来吓我？ Lawyer me some more?
我已经在这行业超过五十年了 I've been in this profession 50 fucking years!
你们这群人会毁了 You and the people you work for are destroying the most respected,
最受人尊敬的节目 the highest rated, the most profitable show on this network.
“休息中”
这些是他们的方向及资料来源 Here. These are their leads, their sources.
你的记者是 - I want you to have your reporters--
华苏和盖米罗 - Suein Hwang and Milo Geyelin.
让他们打电话给自己的管道 这资料来源有一番不同说辞 Have them make their own calls. They'll find that these sources have a different story than the one that's in the dossier.
查理，想办法上头条 Push the deadline, Charlie.
我会努力试一星期 米罗和苏会做功课的 I'll push it for a week. I want Milo and Suein to go through it.
你们想买什么给他？ What do you want to buy him for a gift?
他很喜欢小汽车，像是... Mmm, he's into kind of little cars that, um--
有遥控器的？ - That remote control thing? - Yeah.
对 All right.
好吧，我们明天去买 We'll go do that tomorrow.
六十三对三十六差三票 就到二比三多数比例 [ Man On TV] The 63-36 vote was three shy of the two-thirds needed to pass--
妈 - Mom. There's Dad. - Yes?
爸爸上电视了 - On the TV. - [ Man On TV]...dating back to 1 986.
华杰夫最新的麻烦来了 The most recent trouble for Wigand occurred here--
地方新闻电视台 And in local news, WLKO, Louisville,
取得一份高达五百页的文件 has gained access to a 500-page dossier...
有关前高层主管华杰夫 on former Brown & Williamson research head,Jeffrey Wigand,
他被控偷窃及未付赡养费 detailing charges of shoplifting and failing to pay child support.
华杰夫目前任教于杜邦中学 教授化学及日文课程 Wigand is currently teaching chemistry and Japanese... at the DuPont Manual High School.
玛利亚 Maria.
去年有数以百份 烟草相关文件曝光 [ Wallace ] Thousands of documents from inside the tobacco industry... have surfaced over the past year.
证明前官员的说辞无误 Documents that appear to confirm... what a former U.S. surgeon general... and the current head of the Food and Drug Administration have been saying.
我们有来自烟草公司内幕消息 说明烟草公司是否愚弄大众 We learned of a tobacco insider who could tell us... whether or not the tobacco industry has been leveling with the public.
来源是位前烟草公司高级主管 That insider was formerly... a highly-placed executive with a tobacco company.
但我们无法播出该项 But we cannot broadcast what critical information about tobacco,
与公共医疗相关的消息 addiction and public health he might be able to offer.
为何无法播出？ Why? Because he had to sign a confidentiality agreement...
碍于这位消息人士的保密条款 with the tobacco company he worked for.
CBS高层告知我们 The management of CBS has told us...
碍于他的合约 一但我们播出该消息 that knowing he had that agreement... if we were to broadcast an interview with him,
CBS会面临几百万的官司 CBS could be faced with a multi-billion dollar lawsuit.
我们甚至无法提及他的姓名 The fact is, we are not allowed even to mention his name...
或是他工作的公司 or the name of the company he worked for.
我们也无法公开他的画面 And, of course, we cannot show you his face.
你的保密条款还有效力吗？ And your confidentiality agreement with-- [ Beep ]
是的 - Is still in force? - [ Voice Over] Yes, it is.
他们会因此而控告你吗？ So what are they gonna do? Sue you for making this appearance?
我打赌他们会 [ Voice Over ] I would bet on it.
烟草公司前高级主管有理由 相信他会被烟草公司控告 [ Wallace ] The former executive has reason to bet on being sued, for major cigarette manufacturers--
哈罗 - [ Ringing ] - Yeah.
你失踪了，还要失踪多久？ [ Wallace ] You disappeared on me.
我失踪？ - How long you staying? - I disappeared on you?
你认为如何啊？ All right. What did you think?
我觉得是个耻辱 I think it was a disgrace.
还是没人接，先生 - [ Man ] Still no answer.
帮我接经理 - Get me the manager's office.
大卫，四线电话，你最好接 David. David, you've got a call on line four. I think you better take it.
我是麦大卫 有什么可以帮你的？ This is David McDougal. How can I help you?
我是博罗威 “六十分钟” 制作人 Mr. McDougal, my name is Lowell Bergman. I'm a producer for 60 Minutes.
我很担心一位投宿贵处的朋友 I'm concerned for a friend of mine who's staying at your hotel right now.
华先生？ Mr. Wigand?
我该报警，他没反应 I-I think I need to call the police. He won't respond.
别报警，告诉他我在线上 No, no, don't call the police.Just tell him I'm on the phone with you.
博罗威，就这么告诉他 My name is Lowell Bergman. Just tell him that.
华先生，博先生在线上 Mr. Wigand, Mr. Bergman is on the telephone.
他听到了吗？ Did he hear you?
讯号太弱了，听不见 - [ Phone Beeps ] - You're breaking up. I can't hear you.
现在好点吗？ What about now?
听得见吗？ - What? - Hello? Can you hear me now?
发生什么事？ - What's happening?
他没在听 - He doesn't seem to be listening.
好吧，听我说 我要你告诉他说 All right. Now listen to me. I want you-- I want you to tell him...
去他的，来接电话 in these words: Get on the fucking phone.
我不会说 I-I can't say that.
告诉他：去他的来接电话 No, you can. Tell him to get on the fucking phone!
他说：去你的来接电话 He told me to tell you to get on the... fucking phone!
你设计陷害我 You manipulated me into this.
放狗屁 - That's bullshit,Jeff.
你加油添醋害我 - You greased the rails.
对一个有话要说的人 我只会帮他忙 I greased the rails for a guy who wanted to say ''yes.'' I helped him to say ''yes.''
就是如此 That's all. You're not a robot,Jeff.
你不是机器，有自我思考能力 - All right? You got a mind of your own, don't you? - '' Up to you,Jeffrey.
由你决定，你才有权决定 ''That's the power you have, Jeffrey.
公众有权知道生死攸关的消息 Vital inside information the American public need to know.''
博罗威绝对能说服消息来源 Lowell Bergman-- the hotshot who never met a source he couldn't turn around.
我在为你奋斗，我仍在奋斗 I fought for you, and I still fight for you!
为我奋斗？ You fought for me? You manipulated me...
你利用我 into where I am now-- staring at the Brown & Williamson building!
害得我现在眼瞪着大楼 全栋都是暗的，除了十楼 It's all dark except the tenth floor. That's the legal department.
那是法务部 就是他们整垮我的地方 That's where they fuck with my life.
你准备瞪到何时？ Jeffrey, where you going with this?
你准备到何年何月才肯罢手？ So, where you going?
对许多人来说，你很重要 You are... important... to a lot of people, Jeffrey.
考虑考虑，想想他们 You think about that. You think about them.
我已经没有王牌了 I'm running out of heroes, man.
像你这样的人越来越少 Guys like you are in short supply.
你这种也不多了 Yeah, guys like you too.
你现在在哪？ Where are you, anyway?
放大假，被迫休假 I'm on a leave of absence. Forced vacation.
那，好好玩吧！ - You try and have a good time. - Yeah.
我会的 Yeah, I will.
我是博罗威 “六十分钟” 制作人 I'm Lowell Bergman. I'm from 60 Minutes. You know, you take the 60 Minutes...
不提“六十分钟” 就没人理你 out of that sentence, nobody returns your phone calls.
也许杰夫是对的 我真的中毒太深 Maybe Wigand's right. Maybe I'm hooked.
中什么毒呢？ What am I hooked on?
“六十分钟”狂热 The rush of 60 Minutes?
到底为了什么？ What the hell for? "Infotainment"!
资讯、娱乐 根本全都没用，全都没用 It's so fucking useless, all of it.
美国很大，有新闻自由 找份新工作吧 So it's a big country with a free press. You can go and work somewhere else.
新闻自由？ '' Free press''? The press is free.
是大老板的新闻自由吧 总裁就有新闻自由 For anyone who owns one. Larry Tisch has a free press.
换个角度想吧 - Get some perspective, Lowell.
我有 - I got perspective.
你才没有 No, you do not.
从我的角度来看 From my perspective,
我现在所作所为荒谬至极 what's been going on and what I've been doing is ridiculous.
一切全靠自我良心判断 - It's half-measures.
你没在听 - You're not listening.
应该在有所为之前有自知 Really know what you're going to do before you do it.
施理查在线上 [ Debbie ] I've got Richard Scruggs on the phone.
接过来吧 - Patch him through. - [ Ringing ]
罗威，你不会相信 Well, Lowell, you are not gonna believe this.
为了除去保密条款桎梏 The governor of Mississippi is suing his own attorney general...
密西西比州长控告总检察官 to abandon litigation against Big Tobacco.
真好 - Oh, good. - But now that the version withoutJeff ran,
然而，你是否有机会 让华杰夫的访问播出？ what's the chance of getting his interview on the air?
喂？ - Hello?
我在 - Yeah, I'm here.
机会大吗？ What chance is there of getting Jeff's interview on the air?
不太大 Less than great.
我如果说那访问对案子不重要 就是在欺骗你 I'd be lying to you if I did not tell you... how important it was in the court of public opinion.
而如果我没说我已经穷途末路 我也是在欺骗你 I'd be lying to you if I didn't tell you... I'm about out of moves, Dick.
好吧，再见 All right. See ya.
嗨 Hi.
你们两位在这做什么？ So, what are you folks doing... here in Lincoln?
地质调查 - Geology survey. - Geology?
地质学，是啊 真的？ Yeah? Really?
那你呢？ How about you?
我替新闻工作 I work for CBS News.
是吗？ Oh, yeah?
刚刚遇见你的两位地质学家 Just ran into two of your geologists.
他们两手没经历风霜的样子 Geologists whose hands aren't all chewed up.
罗威 Lowell, do not... screw this up.
别插手，我们就快破案了 We are a week away from an arrest.
我就等等吧，然后呢？ - So I'll hold it. And?
我们行动前会通知你 - We'll give you a heads-up before we launch.
多早以前？ 三小时 - How long? - Three hours.
好 You got a deal.
就像华博士前老板 的总裁山达福的证词 [ Wallace ] ...like the testimony before Congress of Dr. Wigand's former boss, Brown & Williamson's chief executive officer, Thomas Sandefur.
我相信尼古丁不会上瘾 I believe that nicotine is not addictive.
我相信山达福先生自欺欺人 I believe Mr. Sandefur perjured himself...
我仔细听过这些证词 - because I watched those testimonies very carefully.
我们都仔细听过 - All of us did.
这一排的大老板都发过誓 There was this whole line of people, whole line of C.E.O.'s up there all swearing.
我今天出现在这是因为 Part of the reason I'm here is that I felt...
他们的说辞... that their representation--
它可以促进快速吸收尼古丁 进而影响大脑和中枢神经 ...can be more rapidly absorbed in the lung... and therefore affect the brain and central nervous system.
哈罗 吉姆，是罗威 - Hello? -Jim, it's Lowell.
你在哪里？ - Hey, where are you? - Remember that night at P.J.'s?
记得你问过我 我们是否有大新闻 我们没有 You asked me if we were sitting on something explosive. Well, we're not sitting on it.
高层施压给我们于是我们放弃 烟草公司科学家访问 CBS Corporate leaned on CBS News, which yanked an interview we did... with a top-ranking tobacco scientist, corporate officer.
他们想阻止新闻曝光 They're trying to close down the story.
你是说“六十分钟” 会让高层 决定什么该不该播出？ You mean, 60 Minutes is letting CBS Corporate... decide what is or is not news?
麦克怎么想，唐呢？ What's Wallace think about this? Or Hewitt, or--
多大篇幅，哪个版面？ How prominent? What kind of placement?
罗威，这是纽约时报，不知道 Oh, come on, Lowell. This is The New York Times. I don't know.
等你告诉我答案前 我只是提供到此 Well, until you do, all I can tell you is what you already know.
他们打算放弃一段访问 They will not air an interview.
十分钟内回我电话 Call me back in ten.
哈罗 - Hello?
是我 - Debbie, it's me.
嗨，现在几点？ Hi. What time is it?
很晚了 - Oh, it's late.
我知道，你何时回来 - That I know. When are you coming back?
我明天上午离开，晚上到 I can't get out of here till mid-morning. I'll be in tomorrow night.
可以帮我打个密西西比电话？ Listen, could you call a number for me? It's in Mississippi.
好，等等 Okay. Hold on a second.
几号？ What is it? [ Phone Ringing ]
哈罗 我是罗威 - Hello? - It's Lowell.
头版，社论版，开始谈吧 All right, Lowell. Page one. Editorial's interested. Let's talk.
我们这么做 你问问题，错了我会告诉你 Here's how it works. You ask me questions. I tell you if you're wrong.
你确定要这么做？ - Lowell, you sure you want to do this?
怎么？ - Why?
如果不成，你会没有退路 Hey, it doesn't work, you've burned your bridges, man.
准备好了吗？ You ready?
有关这个告密者 Okay. About this whistle-blower,
麦克和唐同意高层作法吗？ did Mike and Don go along with the corporate decision?
罗威？ - Lowell?
我有说你错了吗？ - Did I tell you you were wrong?
没有 No. Um, I'm assuming the cave-in begins...
我认为这整个事件起因于 司法的威胁？ with the threat of litigation from Big Tobacco.
我们指的是布朗威廉公司吗？ Are we talking, uh-- Are we talking Brown & Williamson here?
“纽约时报”
我吵醒你了吗？ [ Wallace ] Did I get you up?
没有，我经常到早上五点半 No, I usually sit around my hotel room dressed like this at 5:30 in the morning,
还穿着这身衣服，一脸睡意 sleepy look on my face.
我们合作过多少集，多少？ How many shows have we done? Huh?
很多 - Come on. How many? - Oh, lots.
是的 That's right.
在这之中，你曾经一下飞机 But in all that time, Mike, did you ever get off a plane, walk into a room...
却发现消息来源改变心意 and find that a source for a story changed his mind?
改变主意，不录了？ Lost his heart? Walked out on us?
没有一次，而你知道原因吗？ Not one fucking time. You wanna know why?
这是个修辞学的问题 I see a rhetorical question on the horizon.
我告诉你原因 I'm gonna tell you why.
因为我说到做到、说话算话 Because when I tell someone I'm gonna do something, I deliver.
我有幸有正直的博罗威相伴 Oh, how fortunate I am to have Lowell Bergman's moral tutelage...
指引我方向，饶了我吧 - to point me down the shining path, to show me the way. - Oh, please, Mike.
你才饶过我吧 - Give me a break. - You give me a break.
我从未曾出卖过任何一条线索 I never left a source hung out to dry ever.
未抛下任何人，直到现在 Abandoned. Not till right fucking now.
当初我到任时，我未曾食言过 When I came on this job, I came with my word intact.
而我离开时也是如此 I'm gonna leave with my word intact.
去你的游戏规则 Fuck the rules of the game!
你知道我的 你还期望什么？ Hell, you're supposed to know me, Mike. What the hell did you expect?
你期望我妥协吗？ You expect me to lie down?
退缩还是算了？ Back off? Or get over it?
现实生活中 你到我这地位，还有其他考量 In the real world, when you get to where I am, there are other considerations.
什么考量？公司政策？ 大名人 Like what? Corporate responsibility? - What, are we talking celebrity here? - I'm not--
我指的不是名气或是公司 I'm not talking about celebrity, vanity, CBS. I'm--
我指的是年事已大 I'm-- I'm talking about... when you're nearer the end of your life than the beginning.
你以为我指的是什么？未来？ And what do you think you think about then? The future?
将来我要如此如此 ''In the future, I'm gonna do this, become that''?
什么将来？没有 你想到的是 What future? No. What you think is...
人们会如何记得我 '' How will I be regarded in the end...
我走了之后 after I'm gone?''
一路走来，我还有些影响力 Oh, along the way, I suppose I made some minor impact.
我做过伊朗事件、伊朗领袖 I did Irangate, the Ayatollah, Malcolm X,
黑潮麦尔康、金恩博士 Martin Luther King,
海珊、沙达特等等 Saddam, Sadat, etc., etc.
给美国民众见识衣冠禽兽 I showed them thieves in suits. I spent a lifetime building...
我花一辈子时间打造出来 all that.
但是历史只见证最后的作为 But history only remembers most what you did last.
难道我最后的作品会成为 And should that be fronting a segment...
烟草巨子趁机整垮 新闻网的一段访问？ that allowed a tobacco giant to crash this network--
难道这不会让我毁于一旦？ Does it give someone... at my time of life pause?
会的 Yeah.
麦克 Mike,
在我的... in my--
我们已经一起工作十四年 You and I have been doing this... together for 1 4 years.
这是今天的时报 This is today's New York Times.
有全版我们公司的报导 In it is the whole sordid story... of what went on inside our shop.
社论里还指控我们 And in the editorial, it accuses us...
违反新闻名人的理念 of betraying the legacy of Edward R. Murrow.
“华尔街日报”
他们断定大部分并非事实 They conclude most of it seems pretty unsubstantiated.
你错的离谱，约翰 You're full of shit, John.
“ 六十分钟”“ 剪掉的片段”
哈罗 Yeah.
头版有华杰夫的相片 [ Debbie ] Front page. There's a picture of Wigand.
苏华与盖米罗独家取得 Article's entitled, "Getting Personal. " Byline to Suein Hwang and Milo Geyelin.
等一下，罗威 Wait. Hold on a second, Lowell.
好 Yeah.
我看能不能找到他，等等 Yeah, I'll see if I can find him.
唐在找你 Yeah, hold on. Don's looking for you.
好 - Good. - The subheading is '' Brown & Williamson...
小标题是布朗威廉 有五百页档案攻击评论者 has a 500-page dossier attacking chief critic.''
施氏称之为 攻击告密者最下贱的招数 It quotes Richard Scruggs calling it the worst kind... of an organized smear campaign against a whistle-blower.
本报的独立调查显示 ''A close look at the file and independent research by this newspaper...
对华杰夫的严重指控 ''into its key claim indicates that many of the serious allegations...
有许多不实或矛盾之处 against Mr. Wigand are backed by scant or contradictory evidence.''
本新闻部门被纽约时报指控 [ Bergman ] This news division has been vilified... in The New York Times, in print, on television...
为公司利害着想，受控于高层 for caving to corporate interests!
纽约时报的指证太过仔细 The New York Times ran a blow-by-blow of
是我们关起门说过的事 是你在搞鬼 what we talked about behind closed doors.
不，是你搞的鬼，别搞错了 - You fucked us! - No! You fucked you! Don't invert stuff.
烟草巨子诽谤华杰夫 而你选择相信他们 Big Tobacco tried to smear Wigand. You bought it.
连华尔街日报 The Wall StreetJournal-- here-- not exactly...
这样以商业挂帅的报纸 a bastion of anti-capitalist sentiment,
都反抗烟草公司的诽谤招数 refutes Big Tobacco's smear campaign...
斥之为最下三滥的手段 as the lowest form of character assassination.
事到如今 即使华杰夫的访谈内容都登出 And now, even now, when every word... of what Wigand has said on our show is printed,
他在密西西比州 出庭作证的内容 the entire deposition of his testimony in a court of law... in the state of Mississippi, the cat...
都暴露在阳光下 totally out of the bag,
你还在这嘴硬 you're still standing here debating.
你到底还要什么证据？ Don, what the hell else do you need?
麦克，你告诉他 Mike, you tell him.
是你搞砸的，唐 You fucked up, Don.
这事件已经不是新闻了 It's old news.
你们挺我，一切都会过去 Stick with me, like always. We'll be okay.
这种事件的寿命只有十五分钟 These things have a half-life of 1 5 minutes.
不，你说的是名声 No, that's fame.
名声才有十五分钟寿命 Fame has a 1 5-minute half-life.
坏名声活的久一点 Infamy lasts a little longer.
我们愚蠢的放弃这则新闻 真是大错特错 We caved. It's foolish. It's simply dead wrong.
我们现在只好回到总部 Now this is what we're going to do. We're going over to Black Rock--
我们回到正题 Okay? So let's get back to work. Now what we saw there...
我们刚所见是两个氯酸钾分子 was two potassium chlorate...
会转变成两个氯化钾分子固体 would yield two potassium chloride, also a solid--
他们取消六点班机，不知原因 They cancelled the 6:00. I don't know why. I--
我改搭八点十分，九点半到家 I'm on the 8:1 0. I should be home... 9:30.
到时候见，我爱你，拜 I'll see you then. I love you. Bye.
谢谢你，爸爸 - Oh. Thanks, Dad. - Thanks.
CBS主管不愿让我们播出 CBS management wouldn't let us broadcast...
华杰夫原始访问内容 our original story and our interview with Jeffrey Wigand...
因为我们可能被控告非法干预 几百万的官司 because they were worried about the possibility... of a multi-billion dollar lawsuit against us... for tortious interference.
现在事情可能有变化 But now things have changed.
华杰夫告知我们... What Dr. Wigand told us was that his former--
烟草已经成为美国史上 最大宗的索赔案 [ Moore ] This industry, in my opinion, is an industry... that has perpetrated the biggest fraud on the American public in history.
它害死了无数人 They've killed millions and millions of--
你会后悔公开真相吗？ [ Wallace On TV] You wish you hadn't blown the whistle?
有时候我希望我没站出来 Yeah, there are times I wish I hadn't done it.
有时却又感到有这个义务 There are times I feel com-- compelled to do it.
如果你问我 If you ask me...
会不会再这么做、值不值得 would I do it again, do I think it's worth it?
我认为值得 Yeah, I think it's worth it.
我答应过你，早三小时通知你 I promised you a three-hour heads up. Here it is.
让你的人准备星期二 到蒙大拿州，海伦那 Have a camera crew standing by in Helena, Montana on Tuesday,
我会从那给你三个钟头时间 and I'll give you a three-hour head start.
今天节目真精彩 All right? By the way, that was a hell of a good show tonight.
谢谢，比尔 - Thank you, Bill. - Yeah.
你赢了 You won.
赢了什么？ What did I win?
CBS新闻纽约报导 [ Man On TV] Reporting from CBS News world headquarters in New York, good afternoon.
包裹炸弹怪客事件有最新发展 There has been a major break in the case of the so-called Unabomber. CBS News has learned that a remote homesite...
我们得知蒙大拿郊外一栋民房 outside of Lincoln, Montana...
几周以来已经在监视下... has been under F.B.I. surveillance for several weeks.
[ Woman ] Great, Lowell.
谢谢 Thanks for this.
我们击败所有人 You know, we beat everybody. ABC, NBC, CNN.
ABC、NBC、CNN
Mike.
那个加拿大故事还吸引你吗？ That Canada story... still interest you?
所有故事都吸引我 Everything interests me.
我辞职了，麦克 Uh, I quit, Mike.
狗屁 Bullshit.
别扯了 Come on.
全都没事了 It all worked out.
你也安然过关 You came out okay in the end.
有吗？我该如何说服 下一名提供消息人士？ I did? What do I tell a source on the next tough story?
靠我们你可能会没事 '' Hang in with us. You'll be fine. Maybe.''
No.
这一次搞砸的没法弥补了 What got broken here... doesn't go back together again.
所以... So, uh--
这整个事件的结局
五十个州政府对烟草公司提出
高达二千四百六十亿美金告诉
对华杰夫的恐吓事件确凿
但却无人遭到起诉
1996年华杰夫获颁 肯德基州杰出教师奖
现居于南卡罗来纳州
博罗威现为公共电视特派员
同时在柏克莱大学教授新闻学
本片结束
谢谢观赏